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Funny that most other OS users would immediately assume the problem lies with the app, whereas many Amiga users insist on blaming the OS. I thought apps were supposed to be written to suit the OS, not the other way round...

With non-beta released OSes, sure...but you'd be surprised at the 'culprits' or even 'assumed culprits' on some Linux distros as well. This isn't an OS4 slam, it's just the truth- there are likley bugs yet to be found, and that can be made worse when there's also the 68k emulation to be accounted for as well. (Meaning it's tougher to pinpoint a problem as the OS just got a bit more complex...)

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The memtest didn't turn out as great as I had hoped though. It gave me errors, I will try with my spare mem.

Single stick of RAM, or multiple? If multiple, remove all but one and try memtest again.

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That's the problem. I've never had a Grim The machine just locks up & all I can do is reboot. Sometimes invalidated my HD too, that probably if the MP3 file is being accesses right at the point of being read. Maybe.

Try running snoopdos with your other apps running behind it. Not as much info as would be nice to have, but it may show some consistency if it repeatedly fails in the same calls..

It sounds like probably a few issues here- the unfixed XE network lockup/driver issue plus maybe something else with the player and/or OS4 sound.

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@Chris_Y

I don't think the source of the problem is the same whit all of you, even if it looks the same, I think you have software problem, try removing every thing in user-startup and wbstartup, think back on what you have changed the last days, do the ram test,

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what uboot version do you have installed ?
slb version ?

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@NutsAboutAmiga

eth3com.device 51.5
ahi.device 6.2
emu10kx.audio 6.1 (audigy2)
mpega.library 2.4 (mpega.library clone 1.7 using libmad)
AMPlifier 2.34
ANR 2

I have sometimes lockup of the computer (freeze) when using ANR
and amplifier when streaming music. I cant remember that i had
any lockup just playing from the harddisk. So i believe it has
to do with the network part.

If i run bittorent, dnetc etc it can run for days. If im unlucky
my amiga will loose ping. But mostly it runs for days.
If i use ATC for transfering file specially big it does loose ping
many times so i have to reboot my a1. Then i can ping again.

If i use ftp to check my xbox (thru router in LAN) then often if
i enter some dirs i do loose the ping. Really strange.

Heres another hint. If i run miami instead of roadshow with same
network driver from os4 update 2 (i do use latest uboot too)
i can do filetransfers to xbox and enter drawers without problems.
But its slower as miami is 68k emulated.

I have my a1/a4k/xbox in LAN behind router. The router is connected
to my ADSL DHCP. The router gives the LAN static IP.
If i run without router my a1 will loose ping after 10 minutes.

My a1 is udma and usb fixed. I do run si680card for harddisk and
dvdwriter. On internal i dont have anything. In UBoot i use LEVEL
for everything. I do use the right stuff for parallel.
WHen i used wrong i had a lot more of loose of ping. But maybe
i was just unlucky then ?. I do use the VCORE that says in
intuitionbase. I have better fan

So i believe that as i loose ping and when streaming music
the freeze can have to do with something with network.
Maybe the ethernet driver, roadshow or whatever.
Bugs are to be found and smashed.
And as i heard also other people with DHCP adsl have problems
with loose of ping (cant ping)

http://tiw-pro.web.internet.telia.com/~1698137/PC/zalmanalcu.html

I hope this is enough info.

@Kicko

Yes I think it's network problem in some cases, how ever the ones that have problem whit frezes is some thing else,

think you better of whit the eth3com.device Version 50.9 even if it's slow.

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FWIW, my fixed XE has yet to lose network connection or have a network lockup that I'm aware of, using the update 2 ethernet driver...

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I need to fix my 3com then it's just the ting need to read from this forum

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Then you haven't read any of my thread on the subject! I've complained multiple times that audio+network eventually hangs my A1 And Audio + Remote Desktop is a typical example of audio+network.

Of course not, I don't read each and every thread on the forum. As I said, I haven't heard, which doesn't mean that no one has it, just that I have no information on it.

To begin with, it would be helpful to know what kind of audio hardware is involved...

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I believe it's the same bug that hangs the machine with IDE-DMA + network = a VIA/Articia bug

Ah, please. There is nothing that justifies such a claim yet. It's always easier to blame it on that again.

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Any news on an update yet?

No, I'm afraid. Certain things happened recently (which I don't want to go into since they're private in nature) which delayed things massively.

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I think it's the eth3com.device that fails! this is LAN problem!

Which version?

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F##k it, Just re-type what you wrote and then you can delete this comment of mine, cheers Bodie_CI5

Just to make it clear, comment where suppose be joke, black humor, nothing more, not trying to be insensitive or anything, don’t think the forum needs to know about any ones personal problems, unless they are ready to say some thing about it, if how ever they admit any type of personal problem in public form, then all they will do is make readers of the forum wonder what it is, so we are left speculating about some thing we really don’t need to know, this is where the joke comes in, I hope this makes things clear and hope his problems what ever they are is sorted too,

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7.Workbench:Devs/Networks> version eth3com.device-update2
eth3com.device 51.5

fails on LAN networks, samba / smbfs you name it, if you have unfixed AmigaOne-XE,
I know there some problems whit 50.9 how ever it works better on LAN,

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@for those that might be intreseted :)

I also had net probs, when I didn't have a router. So I think there's something fishy with either the network driver or roadshow. I think it's roadshow, because I couldn't use my smtp relay server without the router, and I lost the connection frequently. But when I used a router those problems dissapeared. About AmiTradeCenter, I find it VERY buggy in many ways under AOS4.


My a1 is NOT udma and usb fixed. I use a si680card for harddisk and dvdwriter. The internal IDE ports are left empty. UBoot is set to LEVEL. I also have a better fan.

Hmmm... and I have only one memory stick, will switch it out tomorrow. I just checked the memory limit and it was set to the same amout as my stick (256) but I switched it off... as it is only needed when there's a huge amount of mem under linux right?

Hmm, and those guesses about wrong libs/install.. well, I have had these problems from the start, from the very beginning with the first AOS4 beta, and with the first update. And with a clean install of the second update, it doesn't matter wich mp3 player I use, or even MOD/SID player. They crash in exactly the same way, even when I am offline, I have tried two different mem sticks, with the same result. Therefor I don't think downgrading the eth3com device will help.

And I have upped my VCore one step, and found my machine to be WAY more stable. It's only this sound thing that are bothering me now. I guess the vcore is fine as it is now, I don't dare upping it further.

What really confuses me is that I can play games and video and stuff, that outputs audio, but never once has a mplayer crashed in the middle of a movie... wicked.

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My a1 is NOT udma and usb fixed. I use a si680card for harddisk and dvdwriter. The internal IDE ports are left empty. UBoot is set to LEVEL. I also have a better fan. Hmmm... and I have only one memory stick, will switch it out tomorrow. I just checked the memory limit and it was set to the same amout as my stick (256) but I switched it off... as it is only needed when there's a huge amount of mem under linux right?

The si680 card would very likely eliminate 'the usual suspects'(starts with an A..) from this.

The memory setting under uBoot should also not be an issue. Re-test with the other stick of RAM you have until you wind up with a system that passes memtest.

The other comment you made about VCore is a bit disturbing- exactly which CPU do you have, and what are the settings at now?

Improper VCore settings, or frequency multipliers, (yes, or bad RAM), could certainly cause the instability issues you seem to be having...

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Sorry but I disagree with your implication that Remote Desktop is "unstable and buggy". I have done extensive testing of Remote Desktop, and while there are one or two issues with it, none of those issues are audio-related. The audio forwarding was written by Martin Blom, who just also happens to be the Author of AHI, so if anything the audio routines should be spot on.

I have ran Remote Desktop for hours streaming sound from the PC without issue, while at the same time doing other things. I have worked with this software for months and I am quite confident that it is stable software. In addition, my survey results from over 300 Remote Desktop users indicate - by a large margin - that the program is very stable.

Before we can place any blame here we would need to see full AHI debug output and also crashlogs from the person having trouble.

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I second to HammerD, I use RDesktop countless times everyday and find it very stable. It used to have issues but they are long gone by now. Next scapegoat :)

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Yes. Seems that i need to contact every A1 user and let them check their vcore.

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I heard of this VCORE to often hehe.
I fixed this along time ago so i have not this
VCORE problem.

The strong advice was to use this config

On Off Off On Short 1.79
(on is on the north side up, and off is on the
south down) The jp17 is set also.

(XPC7455RX933PC). So this is what i use.

And yes ATC is really buggy. However using Miami as
tcp/ip stack instead of roadshow does work better, i dont
get this ping lock often. At least as i can remember.
The ones that have ping problems please test miamidx
and tell me if you got the same problem or if its gone.

And its not problem with ATC as i do get ping locks
even other times but not so often. For example using
wookichat and visiting efnet, o join #xbmc or #xbins.
(not all times). Wookie can be buggy too hehe