@Mark

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Each Xbox 360 has 2 (not sure if its one dual core or two physical processors) PPC chips in it (G5's I believe)

The Xbox360 has a single tri-core PPC processor. It's not a G5 but something customized to Microsoft/IBM combined efforts.

You missed a big coming use of the PPC that in the Cell CPU of the Sony PS3.

PPC is far from dead. The CPU for systems in automobiles is another use.

@ealm

G5 CPU’s supports G4/G3 operation codes, it’s noting yet to worry about, the first 64 bit CPU in the Power series that did not support 32bit legacy code, if I remember correct.

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... yes, some sort of benchmark would be nice ...

In real-world (Photoshop) benchmarks, the 7448 performs 20-30% faster than a 7447A at the same MHz. Overall the XLR8 MAChSpeed 7448 Aluminum provides 30-60% more performance for PowerBook users.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @ealm G5 CPU’s supports G4/G3 operation codes, it’s noting yet to worry about, the first 64 bit CPU in the Power series that did not support 32bit legacy code, if I remember correct.

Sure it does, but OS4 doesn't support G5, which puts us were we started - with an OS that doesn't support modern CPUs. The only Amiga OS that does in fact is AROS.

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WOW

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ikir wrote: @hnl_dk WOW

Yes, and then think about how fast it will be against 7441/7445 or even my 750FX

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@ealm

Well all it takes is simple recompile, not big deal, butt G5 don’t execute instructions faster then G4, it give little benefits whit the exceptions of handling more bits at the time, this can help the G5 in moving data faster, but also makes calculated floating point values to more exact, that’s all, generally the G5 generates way more heat, and is more expensive for little benefit, I think it’s better to have a dual G4 then a G5 CPU

But we are getting of topic; the Cell and G5 do not fit on a AmigaOne model, so it’s no use taking about it.

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Benchmarks of the fastest Powerbook G4:s vs Intel PowerBooks really show how far after the G4 is by todays standards. And this is the CPU that will be used in FUTURE Amiga systems.

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Yes, and then think about how fast it will be against 7441/7445 or even my 750FX

Indeed i'm already dreaming about MY 1,7Ghz module

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@ealm

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Benchmarks of the fastest Powerbook G4:s vs Intel PowerBooks really show how far after the G4 is by todays standards.

Intel PowerBooks: uses a dual core CPU whit 1.8Ghz and upwards, while the Powerbook G4 uses a single core CPU at 1.5 Ghz, your comparing bananas whit apples.

Apples shift from PPC to Intel is only economical and political decision.

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And this is the CPU that will be used in FUTURE Amiga systems.

Hyperion have stated there interest for Cell CPU’s that should bring piece down, if Amiga OS can benefit the special cores whit in the CELL then that will be cool

Clearly the playstaion is able to play movies in HD format, there should be allots of computer power there, and lots bandwidth between HD and GFX / Audio cards.

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ikir wrote: Quote: Yes, and then think about how fast it will be against 7441/7445 or even my 750FX Indeed i'm already dreaming about MY 1,7Ghz module

Someone wan'a buy me one of those 1.7GHz modules

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @ealm Quote: Benchmarks of the fastest Powerbook G4:s vs Intel PowerBooks really show how far after the G4 is by todays standards. Intel PowerBooks: uses a dual core CPU whit 1.8Ghz and upwards, while the Powerbook G4 uses a single core CPU at 1.5 Ghz, your comparing bananas whit apples.

Yes, the intel CPU:s are faster and that was my point. It is like comparing apples to apples, since both are desktop CPU:s.

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Apples shift from PPC to Intel is only economical and political decision.

It comes after a long time of being limited by the G4 CPUs. The frustration over G4 speed limits was very obvious for years in the mac community.

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Quote: And this is the CPU that will be used in FUTURE Amiga systems. Hyperion have stated there interest for Cell CPU’s that should bring piece down, if Amiga OS can benefit the special cores whit in the CELL then that will be cool

Sure, but it doesn't. The only CPUs AmigaOS 4 supports are G3 and G4.

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@ealm

Some mac benchmarks demostrate that 1,67 PBooks are fast even versus Intel Core Duo systems. And 7448 is faster. OS4 + 7448 1,7Ghz will let your machine to "fly".

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Some other benchmarks, like CinemaBench for instance, place the Core Duo higher than my Dual 2.0 G5.

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Currently, Giga Designs still offers a 1.8GHz G4 7447A Processor Upgrade for $299.

Is there no possibility (for Adam) to team up with one of those accelerator companies to buy PPC together?

@Mark

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Mark wrote: The PPC market is far from dead (that is generic PPC rather than G4 specifically). Each Xbox 360 has 2 (not sure if its one dual core or two physical processors) PPC chips in it (G5's I believe), and they are selling millions of those, the new Nintendo box is going to have at least 1 PPC chip, a high volume of mid to high range printers have PPC chips in them, a large number of network devices (routers etc) have PPC chips in them. I would hardly call this a small market.

Unless AmigaOS is going to be sold for XBox 360s, Nintendos, routers or dishwashers, then I don't think the existence of those special, custom and/or low-performance PPC and/or PPC-derivative powered products will outweigh the loss of the number one consumer computer PPC CPU buyer Apple. There may very well be a bazillion devices with PPC or PPC-like CPUs out there, this per se doesn't help us or anyone else hoping for "cheap" PPC computers.

And AmigaOS won't be sold for XBoxes et c., so...

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hnl_dk wrote: @ikir Quote: ikir wrote: @hnl_dk WOW Yes, and then think about how fast it will be against 7441/7445 or even my 750FX

Then think about that the numbers come from a press release issued by a company that sells 7448-based upgrades to Mac users, and add liberal amounts of salt. :)

Real world benchmarks from AmigaOS and AmigaOS apps running on upgraded Terons will be interesting, if/when the products appear.

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ikir wrote: @ealm Some mac benchmarks demostrate that 1,67 PBooks are fast even versus Intel Core Duo systems.

Heh. "Some" benchmarks wouldn't happen to be the ones with PPC MacOS-apps running under emulation on the Core Duo, would they?
:D

Edit: Never mind. You said "fast", not "faster". "Fast" is subjective.

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Hi Mark,

Thanks for cheering me up on the prospects for PPC.



Hi Ferry,


Don't worry, I'm buying the 1.7 GHz CPU card just to piss 12 people off. (And trust me, that's the only reason. )



I love Amiga World now.

An anti-AOS4.0 person can start a thread, and then another anti-AOS4.0 person can start talking about the virtues of products that should be purchased that can't run AOS4.0.

And anti-AOS4.0 perspectives can be continued ad naseum with impunity by certain sombodies.


It's time for a new website that actually caters for users of AOS4.0, strictly, because it seems that all the portals on the internet have become genesi.com.

Does bb pay the bills here?

@Ferry

It's not just the larger L2 cache 256KB vs. 1MB. It's way cooler running than 7451/5
making it much much easier to overclock without destroying it.
So taking a 1GHz CPU up to 1.3GHz would be quite easy with decent cooling system.

The 1.7GHz version would if fully utilized be more than 100% faster than your CPU
in the XE. The problem though is that Articia S works only with 133MHz FSB and
the 7448 ideally would have 200MHz. Then there's the bus protocol. Articia S does
not support the one 7448 is best at making even slower in that regard.

The larger cache will make it much faster in the same frequency though so it's
really not a bad upgrade. You could overclock it if you feel lucky..

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