What is the reason why Amiga is not in this presentation?

http://www.genesippc.com/presentation.php

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@AmigaBlitter

Sad but true. Iit`s not included because Genesi doesn`t have a license for the Amiga OS and logo.

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@Nitro

Do you think that this is the only reason?

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@AmigaBlitter

Yes Genesi has said many times that they would like to be a provider of Amiga hardware, but because of the issues behind the license are not. I don`t think Amiga Inc. would sell a license to Genesi for any amount of money. I never understood how a software company (Amiga Inc.) will not sell software for hardware (Genesi). Or any other company for that matter. It`s hurting everybody that wants to support Amiga that doesn`t have the Eyetec hardware. It`s seemed that way to me since 1998 when there was talk about going to X86 type CPUs, but to afraid that piracy would kill money to be made. And at this point it seems like Amiga Inc. doesn`t care because they said they will not respond to public forums. Sometimes they sould listen to their users, how else would they know what people want.

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@AmigaBlitter

I don't agree when they say that with the same hardware you can do a server.
Servers need to have a huge memory band width for example so just changing the CPU won't help.
So this presentation is a bit wrong.

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@AmigaBlitter
Forgive me if I am wrong but isn't this a just HW trap for the future? Simply replacing the current SW traps?

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@acefnq

I agree.

marketing bla. At least Genesi tries to do some advertising.

I did't quite get the benefit of a ppc cpu. All that could easily be implemented using a std x86 board(s). And would probably be cheaper. (one platform for all can't be the argument)

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@Jorge

And regarding AmigaOne / AmigaOS 4 is any different because...

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@elwood

>I don't agree when they say that with the same hardware you can do a server.

Creativity... and discussion.

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@AmigaBlitter

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Do you think that this is the only reason?

I do. There's a lot of other things to talk about, but they basically all fit into the "Why Genesi doesn't have an OS4 license" category which the main reason of not having a license sits on top of, so I don't consider these to be "different" reasons for why OS4/Amiga aren't in your presentation.

BBRV's recent posts here indicate they want to go back to the courtroom and try to get OS4 added to their AmigaDE judgement again, and effectively get their license that way. Some of what they claimed the first time they requested the judge give them OS4 in addition to what was in the contract makes me worry that OS4 will survive if they are successful this time. If they succeed to invalidate the contract between Hyperion and Amiga Inc., as was the intention the first time, I fear that offering a new and better contrat to Hyperion from Genesi may not work as advertized. Invalidating the Hyperion/Amiga Inc. contract means Hyperion had no legal rights to make arrangements with independent OS4 contractors, had no rights to made deals with 3rd party developers to include their items in teh OS4 product, etc. Thus all of those contracts must also be void, since Hyperion's right to make such offers related to OS4 is invalidated with their contract with Amiga Inc. I don't believe that Genesi would be able to put that all back togther again if they are successful in court to tear it all apart. Even if they are successful in the courtroom, I don't believe they would succeed in offering what we today call OS4 on their hardware, because I don't believe that the thing we call OS4 will still exist as we recognize it today if this all does happen.

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@AmigaBlitter

1. This has nothing to do with Amiga development. Moved to general computing.

2. You don't seem to get it. NO LICENSE, NO OS4 ON GENESI HARDWARE. Sheesh.

3. Have you considered a career in propoganda, or other ways to mislead people? Re-read #2, over and again, until it sinks in.

I think you've got your answer. BBRV likes to 'imagine,' but when it comes down to it, he has no license, nor would adding OS4 or AmigaOS to the one slide with some icons to it (multi-platform something or other slide) be of interest to business perusing the Genesis site. It would, however, give AInc a reason to sue Genesi, though!

So again, why would they possibly mention Amiga?

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@AmigaBlitter
Because it isnt Amiga?

Why keep clinging onto the Amiga brand, when you could instead build a brand name of your own? MorphOS might be great, but it is still cannot be called AmigaOS and neither can the Pegasos.

@wegster

Weg, bbrv claim that he will provide amiga hardware so this could be future amiga development, right?

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It would, however, give AInc a reason to sue Genesi, though!

Maybe that's true.

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@billt

They wanna pay for having AOS4, even if enforced by law... how can this be so wrong? It's not like they want more then they would with AmigaDE...

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@pixie

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and regarding AmigaOne / AmigaOS 4 is any different because..

Sorry, I might be stupid, but I didn't get your point.

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@wegster

I still don't get Genesi's intention to stick with PPC and the Amiga market. This slide targets a complete different market ("Worlddomination" ). I guess the core contents says one platform for every task.

And yet, they don't believe in it themselfs. They now have a ODW (PegasosII), the small embedded board (Efika), the Rack (HDB, a TSI109 based board, not Pegasos) and the OSW (a 970 based board). So, 4 boards for 4 different markets. Renders the whole thing pritty pointless. IMO.

Which, again, leads me to the question: Why ppc at all, then ? Just because the HW locks you to a platform and "protects" it from the competition somehow ? Doesn't make sence to me...yet another HW vendor. But this time one who wants to go the hard way.

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@billt

Maybe it's really down to the name, only. The only thing what they lack is a known brand name which would allow them to market in a wider range. And tracking the history, that seems to be a feasable thought...

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@Jorge
The only thing I believe they have that is 'production ready' is the Pegasos II. The Efika's may not be far off, or may be ready to go for a large order, but pictures as well as details BBRV posted of the 'blades' convinced me that project is awaiting some serious funding, which will only happen via interet, meaning an OE order, or someone that wants to partner with Genesi. Likewise, the last 'business plan' for OSW mentioned R&D not being completed yet, and was effectively asking Power.org to fund the OSW's development and production. Whether that's happened or not, it's still not a product on anything but paper, AFAIK/IMO.

Regarding their product variety, or goals, assuming they had all of the above products...nothing wrong with it at all. Sell Pegs to developers to write apps for Efika and/or OSW, and find a compelling reason to use HDBs for a cluster, computing farm, or bank of servers. I forget what the claimed density was on the HDB, but were it to have made it to market, as in purchaseable, a year or two back, it might have been compelling, based on both rack density as well as power requirements. Today, it's less interesting because of relatively low computing power, and advancements made in x86/x86-64 power management (including new Opterons).

having said that, there are other purposes the HDBs could be useful for- webserver farm, cluster/distributed computing may work out well for performance/$, core network services...many tasks don't require 4 way Opterons or 12 way Sun v1280s, and the density in a datacaneter is still appealing.

Whether or not any of these products ever come to exist or not, in that they are available for sale, and someone outside of Genesi owns one, and/or can review the product...remains to be seen.

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@pixie

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They wanna pay for having AOS4, even if enforced by law... how can this be so wrong?

I'm not quite sure what you mean there.

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It's not like they want more then they would with AmigaDE...

What makes you think that? How many people actually know what Eyetech pays Amiga Inc. for each AmigaOne they sold as their OS4 license fee? I don't. I've tried very hard to find otu what AI's licensing fee for OS4 is, but they didin't seem interested in selling it. I don't remember what Thendic had agreed to pay AI for each copy of AmigaDE, but it seems it was around US$5-ish per unit.

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@wegster

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Whether or not any of these products ever come to exist or not, in that they are available for sale, and someone outside of Genesi owns one, and/or can review the product...remains to be seen.

You forgot the main problem:

Port our lovely OS4 to this new platforms. I don't know if the problem remain also for the ACK or Troika mobo. As you know, 20k Euro are needed for the operation, not considering the time and other resources or things that we don't know.

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