@bbrv

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1. There are no business terms being discussed here.

I can't find the word "terms" in jkirk's post. He - like many others, including me and the people directly involved in the "business" (see Rogue's reply to your "official" approach) - just pointed out that making business the way you are advocating is wrong.

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Can you see the problem here?

Yes. Somebody here keeps posting junk. And, since he's starting to run out of its own, now starts posting also the junk he (supposedly) gets in his mailbox.

saimo

edit: added an 's' and a ')'... guess where

Last edited by saimo on 20-Sep-2006 at 06:19 PM.

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@bbrv

Please be a bit more discreet in your postings, posting a private email here without permission, is definately against Site T&C's.

I'm also unsure whether to take umbrage at the comment on $X to support AW.net, this site relies on advertising and donations, and as far as Im aware A.Inc have never advertised here. To even imply that A.Inc runs the show here belittles the work that the moderators and site staff do here. Just because we are unashamedly Pro Amiga (the OS), it does not mean we have any financial ties to Amiga Inc.

Mark

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@jkirk

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the best way to solve a problem is direct contact. forums should not be used in this way UNLESS it is secured.

This forum is not secured and surely such forum is not about negotiating business contacts in any way. Not a serious company would do it, unless now probably.
A reason for the forum being used and especailly on AmigaWorld.net forums and not on MorphZone, Power.org or MooBunny may be is making the community do a push on Amiga Inc and Hyperion in a rather unappropriate way, which wouldn't work as shown already.
Also all this talk about AmigaOS 4 being available on Pegasos and/or Efika hardware is strictly timed, right some days before the new hardware announcements on the Italian Amiga Fair.

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@drHirudo

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Also all this talk about AmigaOS 4 being available on Pegasos and/or Efika hardware is strictly timed, right some days before the new hardware announcements on the Italian Amiga Fair.

Tell us more.

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@ironfist

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How can any software company hire contractors and then not own the code?! Ben Hermans is supposed to be a lawyer. Can he be this stupid?! I mean, any normal programmer employed by some company works for that company and every line they code is owned by the employer.

It depends on the terms of the contract. If some parties were not willing to consider the terms as they are in some contracts, then there may have been large holes in OS4 and thus it may have never been started. I don't know what terms are in place regarding code ownership for various people, not even myself, as I haven't seen that stuff. (I'm a degree removed from having participated in whatever contract negotiations happened with my project, and only know what the situation is between me and my direct employer for that)

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@Thread

The thread will be locked within 48 hours.

So please prepare your closing statements for this thread.

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@tomazkid

Byeeeeee !!

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@Rogue

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Don't want to spoil the party, but the kernel belongs to Thomas and me, and nobody asked us yet.

One would hope that Amiga Inc.'s licensing email address is the first step in a process that would include contacting Hyperion, learning that kernel belongs to you and Thomas, contact you, and so on until all parties involved are part of it. That's assuming they can get a response from AI, as Bill M's statement that they did indeed reply to "every" (whatever the heck those quotes are supposed to mean, they're his not mine) license inquiry has known exceptions. But if AI doesn't reply at all, it doesn't much matter who owns what for the remainder of the process. If I was bbrv, I would have left out the part about MorphOS starting up at the same time, as we all know how fond of that McEwen was back in the day...

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@bbrv

You know, you're the best gosh darn bloke I know, I hope you are never in a car crash ever and I certainly hope you never die in one.


Moderate that!

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@Skyraker

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Moderate that!

Don't push it

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I will say however from reading these posts from Billy boy on here that I have never seen anyone act with such arrogance. Just reading his responses makes me shake my head in disbelief.

Mate you've taken in this lot once already, you're not going to do it again.

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[quote]Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want peopl

@bbrv

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Why was this message removed? There was no such disclaimer on the message and the message was sent from an ANONYMOUS source. Here is is again:

this is not helping your case. there are rules on this site called terms and conditions. you broke one by posting a private email. it does not matter if it is confidential or not.

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Can you see the problem here? Certainly, this person *is* a "doodoohead."

T&C #2&3 broken you ignored what the moderator posted and re-posted the email. you then proceeded to call the moderator a doodoohead. the moderators are the police of this forum if you don't respect them then how can you respect another companies business plans.

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There are no business terms being discussed here. If there were, they would be pretty simple. Here is an example:

and this is why there has been no response by ainc or hyperion( they don't do business on forums.

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There are no rules.

only if you don't want to do business with someone. you see there are rules you either play by them or go home. i know you don't want to hear this but i don't blame ainc for wanting to do buisness behind the scenes. honestly if you went and disclosed you license details in public and had to change them later there would be a lot of misgivings. but as it is nobody knows what another paid for a license so that is not a problem.

just don't expect the world to play by your rules when they make their own.

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@Skyraker



Cheers to you too mate!

R&B

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@bbrv

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Why was this message removed? There was no such disclaimer on the message and the message was sent from an ANONYMOUS source. Here is is again:

Arrogance without limits. Endless spamming.
This is not absolutely welcome.

saimo

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@bbrv

It's public domain dude.

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[quote]Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want peopl

@jkirk

Slow down high speed! Read the problem.

There are no "rules" in how business is done. There are many opinions!

There are certainly laws, which are to be respected.

There are ethical issues that we apply to the way we live our lives.

About the message...

How can a PM be a "private" communication when it comes from an anonymous source?

Accountability is an important issue. Being anonymous is a great thing, but in being anonymous one cannot expect anything to be private because it is not. The "privacy" button was pushed and it began before the message was sent.

We will be back in 48 hours at Tommi's request.

Have a fun rest of the week!

R&B

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genesi

Is this guy on amphetamines or what?

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[quote]Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want peopl

@bbrv

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How can a PM be a "private" communication when it comes from an anonymous source?

What makes that email private is the fact that it's been sent to you and only you. The rule (i.e. law) here says: "Copyrighted Information: Copyrighted material, private email text, and other privileged information may not be posted here without prior written permission from the original author."
Did you get the permission from the author? I guess not, since you haven't claimed so and you don't even know who the guy is. So, you broke the law here. You had already been warned. You keep insisting with your unexcusable behaviour.

saimo

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@Skyraker

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Is this guy on amphetamines or what?

Unfortunately, I'm afraid he's not.

saimo

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@bbrv

tomazkid said "Have you ever sent an email to technologylicensing@amiga.com and asked for a license to get OS4 ported to Efika?"

bbrv says:

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Dear Sir, please inform us of the license terms for OS4 on all Genesi platforms, including the EFIKA. For you to know, we also plan to reinitiate support for MorphOS simultaneously. We actually think this will help the overall Amiga market and hope you agree. Best regards, Raquel and Bill

Bill gets a POSTIVE reply and posts:
"We have had an answer. We have just ask if we can post it here. The first indications are *very* positive!"



And I say, "Are you kidding me???" All the crap you post on here with you're little Peg/Efika games and you've never even thought to contact Amiga Inc.? Did you think this whole time someone on the Amigaworld website would have the power to grant you a port? WOW Some business man! I don't really believe all this, I think you're playing some PegPong here with us.


OK so anyway, Bill gets a positive reply from Amiga Inc... then in TRUE BBRV fashion he goes on to post:

Amiga is far from being a commercial entity of any sort.

Genesi's judgment against Amiga Inc. notwithstanding (that means set this aside, forget it, and pretend it never happened), Amiga Inc. wherever it is domiciled has serious problems

highlighting the problems of Amiga Inc... etc....

Which begs a couple of questions... like WHY are you emailing a company and trying to do business with them when they have so many problems?

Another questions I would have is, Bill, do you think putting down, in a public forum, the company you are trying to contact and get something going with is a SMART idea? Do you think bringing up LAWSUITS is going to help you start a business relation ship with Amiga Inc. like you "claim" you are trying to do? I think this is all just a game to make you look like a good guy, so you can say, "Hey I tried to contact them, they never followed up." Well why the hell would they ever respong to you now that you trash them in public?


It's ALWAYS games with BBRV. He will not seriously answer any of the questions above, just make some oh so witty remark that is WAY above our little heads. Nope, but I'm sure gary_c will try to explain away Bill's SOOO professional behavior though.

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