@minator

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Nope, but they also don't tell the whole truth (and don't pretend to - e.g. they don't track Walmart). NPD do not track all sales so typically miss 20% of sales.

It still shows that PS3 is losing against Nintendo Wii and if PS3 sales keep dropping dramatically in coming months it means trouble for Sony. Especially Japan looks bad and charts from January will be interesting.

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Why do you think the PS3 being "available" is proof of it not selling?

Sales charts suggest PS3 is not selling too well at this moment and PS3 games sell very badly. We can't know is it permanent or temporary trend but signals are there.

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I find this funny reporting:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156748
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/26/ps3-price-quietly-jacked-up-in-canada/

"Being a Canadian, this one hits close to home. The PS3, right? Flying off the shelves? "

"Well, that must be why major Canadian retailers like Future Shop and Best Buy Canada have just decided to jack the price of a new PS3 "

"It looks like the not insignificant price break Canadian gamers have been enjoying on the PlayStation 3 may have abruptly come to an end, with Future Shop, Best Buy, and other retailers now listing the 60GB console at $699.99"

Funny because they don't seem to realize Best Buy and Future Shop and all other major Canadian retailers have run out of stock...

http://www.consolewatch.com/

First tutorial in a series of PS3/Cell//Linux articles by IBM:

"The Sony PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) is the easiest and cheapest way for programmers to get their hands on the new Cell Broadband Engine (Cell BE) processor and take it for a drive. Discover what the fuss is all about, how to install Linux on the PS3, and how to get started developing for the Cell BE processor on the PS3. "

"This was posted as an informational technology piece for developers looking to broaden their horizons on programming Cell BE-based blades and other Cell BE-based systems," Kathy Mandelstein, IBM's director of worldwide developer programs, told internetnews.com. "IBM collaborated with Sony and Toshiba in the development of the Cell BE technology discussed in this tutorial."

"That article is the first in a series, and as the series continues, it will cover programming and optimization, intrinsics, assembly, that sort of thing, and any knowledge gained will be directly applicable to programming Cell BE-based blades and other Cell BE-based systems," Mandelstein explained. "But the reader won't be able to run the examples in parts 2, 3, 4 and so on if he or she doesn't already have a system running Linux. This is why the installation article came first."

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3656466

@MikeB

I am realling enjoying watching you waste time and energy as a real nut (probably trying to avoid facing the real situation and the black future that is ahead of all this)

It is impossible with somene who already loosed his mind, he always will find silly arguments. Whe have a sayin in my country wich says "There is no biggest blind than the one who don´t wanna see".

I will give you some time to continue infecting this page, and when everything become so obvious that even you will not be able to fool yourself anymore, I will quote all your posts, and we will have one of the biggest laughs in the history of this page.

An interesting interview with the people behind Genji 2 for the PS3:

http://www.playfrance.com/dossier-interview-de-yoshiki-okamoto.html (French)

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- Says the game took 18 months to develop, it started its first 6 months as a PS2 title then the next 12 months being ported over and turned into a PS3 title.
- Says the game end'd up being 18gb in size
- There were 50 people working on the game
- Also of note is that he says they DONT use the SPE's, although Sony were pushing them to use them.
- Also says that he and his development team were shocked at the $600 price tag as they expected to be higher"

@MikeB

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- Says the game end'd up being 18gb in size - There were 50 people working on the game - Also of note is that he says they DONT use the SPE's, although Sony were pushing them to use them.

By using the SPEs to *generate* the data with algorithmic synthesis they could have easily fitted the game in 9GB. The GFX look like any PC game, which is good, since PC games look good .

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Play nicely, don't disregard others' opinions like this, even if the one you're arguing with does the same.

This goes for everyone here.

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@MikeB

This goes for you as well, your whole stance looks as if you are disregarding everyone else's opinion and are not prepared to listen to anything you do not agree with. Take it a bit easier, no-one is biting your head off.

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@AMiGR

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The GFX look like any PC game, which is good, since PC games look good

I know a lot of PC games which look much worse. I think Genji 2 was probably visually the most impressive PS3 launch title, but does not come close to Resistance's (which does use the SPEs to some extend) game complexity.

IMO the fact that they didn't even use the SPEs, just hints to lots of untapped potential regarding future games.

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This goes for you as well, your whole stance looks as if you are disregarding everyone else's opinion and are not prepared to listen to anything you do not agree with. Take it a bit easier, no-one is biting your head off.

I don't publically question people's sanity, if my opinions differ from their's. I do listen, you accused me before, but that doesn't per se mean I have to agree. I prefer to politely disagree in such cases and provide my own arguments.

I hope you will practise as you preach considering recent threads.

@MikeB

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I don't publically question people's sanity, if my opinions differ from their's. I do listen, you accused me before, but that doesn't per se mean I have to agree. I prefer to politely disagree in such cases and provide my own arguments.

The problem is, you do not politely disagree, and many people will back me on this, you *ignore* the argument and respond to the rest, usually pasting another load of weird links and quotes.

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I hope you will practise as you preach considering recent threads.

Calling you a Sony PR specialist is not something I consider to be an insult and I stand by it.

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@AMiGR

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The problem is, you do not politely disagree, and many people will back me on this, you *ignore* the argument and respond to the rest, usually pasting another load of weird links and quotes.

Well, I don't intend to be impolite. I have no problems with anyone proclaiming: "The PS3 sucks for me", "IMO the XBox 360 will always be ahead of the game", etc, etc.

I also don't think I have to reply to every written sentence, especially not if I have nothing to add in response.

What I do have a problem with is name calling, making comparisons with war criminals such as Adolf Hilter, etc.

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Calling you a Sony PR specialist is not something I consider to be an insult and I stand by it.

Maybe not, if not for the real "Sony PR speciliast" in the USA at least wouldn't do such a bad job,, so I can imagine people having a problem with such off topic allegations... BTW anyone working for Sony wouldn't admit to such.

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@MikeB

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not using SPE

This might as well apply to Ridge Racer 7. While the game looks crisp clear, I don't see what the GPU can't do in that game. No advanced physics and no damage modell.

The game isn't bad, and it shows what the PPU & RSX alone can do. (However, this is specualtion. I have no prove, that RR7 does not use the SPEs. I am just guessing because you certainly don't draw polygons with the SPE (at least not yet) and the rest can even be done on a PS2).

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@MikeB

One would guess you work for Sony's PR department. So incredibly pro-Sony. :P

@AMiGR

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fitting into 9GB

It sure could. But would one, if you have enough storage? Requires asset pre/post production + additional loaders (and decompressors). Sure possible but doesn't come for free. Why bother. I think some would rather invest into fast loaders then compressors (e.g. the mirror loaders).

Even if they'll do, level designers can still expand across the boundary. Or put additional maps on it etc.
I don't see why having more storage is an disadvantage.

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@Jorge

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The game isn't bad, and it shows what the PPU & RSX alone can do. (However, this is specualtion. I have no prove, that RR7 does not use the SPEs.

I agree, the only game I have seen so far which clearly uses the SPEs is Resistance. I won't counter such claims as this though:

AMiGR: "By using the SPEs to *generate* the data with algorithmic synthesis they could have easily fitted the game in 9GB."

I have too little insight in Genji 2's game data (how much of this GBs is FMV, sound, etc?) to make such a statement myself, let alone counter such claims (or confirm it). What I do know is 18 GB would not fit on a double-layered DVD, thus in its current form Blu-Ray is beneficial. Thus this is an example why I refrained from commenting originally.

@ AMiGR

I have no problems with admitting it when I am proven to be wrong. For instance with regard to Oblivion in an earlier discussion I apparently made the wrong assumption the game was being distributed on a double-layer DVD (which at 12x=>x8 would read slower on average as compared to Blu-Ray at x2 speeds), but it appears the XBox 360 game fits on a single layer DVD, thus DVD version may offer significantly faster loading as compared to the PS3 version.

If anyone here pointed this out to me, I would simply be thankful.

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One would guess you work for Sony's PR department. So incredibly pro-Sony. :P

I think I am rather pro-Amiga / Cell / PS3 / Nintendo. Although I admit, I don't share the negative feelings many people seem to have towards Sony products.

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@MikeB

I intended to stay out of this thread with popcorn in hand and less wasted energy, but have to respond to this:

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What I do have a problem with is name calling, making comparisons with war criminals such as Adolf Hilter, etc.

It was in no way a personal comparison, which I also made clear: "I just don't intend to sit idly by and let people be misled by propaganda (not that I'm saying you're a nazi, but the rhetoric is the same)."

In other words repeating the same misinformation over and over again amongst relevant information is where the comparison comes into play.

I've decided that it's just not worth continuing this "discussion", since you can't discuss with a Sony propaganda machine/fanboy.

For what it's worth at least you're slightly better than the PSP "fanboys" the Sony ad agency came up with

@MikeB

Hm, I would comply with AMGR to some extend about PS3 titles not using advanced compression technics.

This might well be true. And especially the SPEs could be used to realtime decrompress the textures, I see why people ask the question. This would also result in lower load times. But it would also require a propietary binary format which requires a post (or/and pre-) production step, incl. tools to be written and code which decompresses the textures. Sure possible, and eventually we'll see that, I suppose.

But I would could imagine, that, if you are producing a launch title and try to get to market as fast as you can, you have a 50GB storage media and no extended knowledge about the HW (yet), you would simply skip that step (at this point). Yes, I guess, that's what I would do.

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@Trezzer

Isn't live fun ?

I can do that now from my sofa sitting back and enjoying the show.

It's just so convinient, that I can drink my coffe and even can post stuff

The only thing I'd need would be an universial keyboard incl. integrated PS3 controller and mouse (or something)

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@Jorge

Yeah, it's nice enough.

I used the Dreamcast a lot for that with the broadband adapter (as well as IRC and e-mail). The joypad controls were so good for browsing pages that using the mouse wasn't even necessary

These days I tend to just use my laptop. It is a fair bit more convenient. For instance right now I'm at the dinner table and in a moment I'll be moving to the couch after the coffee is done -

Yesterday I used the Opera browser on the DS. It's really quite capable considering what's in that box. Much faster than the PSP browser and doesn't run out of memory on heavy sites unlike the PSP (at least I've not seen it happen so far). Then again it comes with a memory expansion so that's probably why I was at my mom's place and just had to look up some route descriptions and maps for her. Yay. Browsers.

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@Trezzer

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I've decided that it's just not worth continuing this "discussion", since you can't discuss with a Sony propaganda machine/fanboy.

Some consider you to be an XBox 360 fanboy according to some PMs I've received. I would have been about equal as 'pro-product" if Nintendo, Philips or Panasonic came up with with a Cell product offering equivalent features (and equivalent cost) as compared to the PS3 (Such as other OS support, Blu-Ray, BlueTooth, Wi-Fi, etc). The only difference affecting opinions may have been the involved industry muscle / support and such if that would have been the case.

You tried to make me look as being a liar, I forgot with regard to what exactly, but IMO you severely lacked in your argumentation and actual evidence. I am not a liar, I may make mistakes, but I am not a liar.

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