Ok this is my last guess but maybe it's an os for some form of digital recorder.

like this one.

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@Teddy

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But it is funny, never the less.

Like I said before: it is great fun overhere and apparently no knowledge required about the topic (Topic? What topic? Jeez, there's even a topic to this thread! Never noticed.) at hand.

C'm'on marko, pass the popcorn and the beer, please!

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@Leo

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Because it can't seriously run anywhere else ?

Why? Because of speed?

And getting back to software how could it seriously run on x86? There's no way you could pit it against any other x86 OS. And there are probably Amiga clone OS'es out there that are more modern. It would be a closed source hobby OS.

And since it is only us who would run it, what does it compete with? AROS?

@NutsAboutAmiga

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If they did I buy it i hart beat, I don't care bout price this hobby and they cost allot.

Last time I checked it was going for $1895 US. So I agree with you there. Finally, not only would it be a suitable replacement for the AmigaOne, it would destroy it!

Even if they ripped if Power Linux users by not putting USB2 on board and forcing them to use a USB card. So just like my A1!

@All

And the secret project of Hyperion is ?
I hope this project worth this number of pages - 39 !

@Hyperion

If this is about a new hardware, then you are committing a BIG mistake not to disclose it!
Why?

There is nothing scheduled to be released by any Amigish company, so why would Amigans stick around ?

The situation is hopeless for people not wanting to buy underpowered hardware like SAM.

Give us some more! :)

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@marko

Just for the record, I hate beer. Tastes as good when I'm sober as it does when I'm drunk. My body cannot be fooled! I wasn't born with the same 99% taste buds of every other male on the planet.

That said, and since I've now brought in a disagreement of a different kind. Let's argue over why beer should be ported to x86.

@Hypex

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Let's argue over why beer should be ported to x86.

Cause the beer is MultiBubbles, and the x86 is multi whatever you want. :P

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@olegil

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olegil wrote: @olegil Using the Wii made me think of the Wii Remote. Which again lead me to think of Bluetooth. Hey everyone, I'll sponsor the following list of hardware to get it supported: Wii Remote Wii Nunchuk Wii Sensor Bar KeySonic KSR-10BT USB-Bluetooth Dongle (or equivalent) Nokia Bluetooth Handsfree BH-104 (or equivalent) It comes to 1561 NOK (ask google how much that is in your favourite monetary unit), but it's worth it if someone gets it supported. Conditions: All items to be returned if software has not been displayed in acceptable state after 12 months. Minimum: the remote must function as a mouse, nunchuk must function as joystick and handsfree must function as speaker and microphone (so a minimum of HSP and HID is needed, and must be possible to extend with more protocols later) Use of CWiid library for getting the Wii parts to work once the Bluetooth support is in is strongly encouraged. I honestly expect 90% of the work lies in getting bluetooth support working, 10% porting CWiid and making the mouse/joystick drivers.

The sensor bar is a dumb device. It can be replaced with 2 lit candles...or anything else that emits 2 infra-red points about 6" apart. It's just there as a reference for the Wii Remote to "see" to know where the screen is and measure dept from the screen. There are already plenty of homebrew sources on how to communicate with the Wii Remote+Nunchuk, etc...

perhaps http://www.bluesoleil.com/ can help...

@Lou

I know what the sensor bar is. I just thought it would be nice of me to put in some extra goodies in the package. But if it comes to that, I can ship two candles instead, no problem. Don't quite see why that would be beneficial, though

Bluesoleil is closed-source and for-profit. How excactly does that help in this case?

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@Hypex

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Let's argue over why beer should be ported to x86.

Well, that's an easy one: ofcourse for the same reason why port should be beered to x86!

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I'm still in love with this little beasts - still have my bible...ermm....Rodnay Zaks in the shelf

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@BigD

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A rational business viewpoint is unlikely to be seen on AmigaWorld! Hyperion have gone against all commonly held laws of business by pumping money into a product with NO CURRENT REVENUE STREAM!!! The OS development doesn't make any economic sense and I am now of the opinion we might just be flogging a dead horse!! Why the hell isn't there JIT emulation for WHDLoad and 68k stuff built into OS4.1 & Sam? This an app that is definately required! Where the hell is an Amiga custom case and software bundle - at a £500 price point? Where is OWB's Java and flash support? Without these things there is no point discussing an Amiga future!!!

And why do you think they did something like that? Could it be that some things simply couldn't be avoided? I can agree that in past 8 years or so, there was some bad choices, but it is easy to talk now when that time has passed. Things shouldn't have developed the way they are, but, as I said, some things were just bad timing.

Don't you think that if Hyperion was in position at one point to do what you are describing that they wouldn't seize that opportunity? Do you think that developers don't want to advance the OS to the best of their efforts?

So let me ask you this, where do you think the resources for your demands should come from? (not just yours, this goes to anyone demanding something without giving any solution how to actually overcome that obstacle) Money doesn't fall out of sky. With very limited resources there is not much you can do. You are very restricted, and you cannot afford to have all the bells and whistles that you would like.

And than there is that very important question, where is your market? Is it the desktop? Who would use it in considerable quantities? Are the Amiga users (current and potential) that numerous to make money on it? I simply doubt it. You have to find the chance in some other market, outside the desktop. That doesn't mean that there would be no AmigaOS as we know it, it just means that the real revenue has to come from some other place. It's that, or you got to have some serious, and I mean serious funding to do something like compete in the desktop market.

I actually don't get what some of you actually want from AmigaOS.
We always hear, we want Java, we want Flash, we want OpenOffice, we want x86, we want Arm, we want this, we want that.

Well guess what, I somehow doubt that the developers wouldn't like to make many of the things mentioned a reality, but that is not going to happened just because you all come to whine about how all that stuff is missing.
Well it is kind of obvious isn't it?

Finally, I come to the point of my previous post. How can you make an informed judgement on something that you don't have the necessary facts for?


edit: typos

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@olegil

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olegil wrote: @Lou I know what the sensor bar is. I just thought it would be nice of me to put in some extra goodies in the package. But if it comes to that, I can ship two candles instead, no problem. Don't quite see why that would be beneficial, though

Bah, you can build your own out of a stick, 2 LED's and a battery. :)

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Bluesoleil is closed-source and for-profit. How excactly does that help in this case?

Well, they've ported to Linux...perhaps they are open to more platforms. It seems when an Amigan does it, there are always bugs that need to be worked out.

@OldFart + all




@Hypex + all




@thread

And pudding to all...

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@Hypex

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Last time I checked it was going for $1895 US

You have old info. It's currently $1125, that's approx. 799 EUR currently. Not bad I would say. (Edit: I forgot to add local taxes to the price.)

@wajdy
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Give us some more! :)

(Personal_dream_mode:)
8 cores ?
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@Lou

ok. what the #### ever. It's not like I was going to FORCE anyone to accept the sensor bar.

Bluesoleil has sold 30 million licences. Fat chance 1000 amigans will figure anywhere on their radar.

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Just one question is it Hyperions secret project or Hyperion & ACubes secret project?

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@1Mouse

good one!

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I think part of the problem is PPC crowd says, it will take too much time, money and resources to port to x86.


The x86 crowd says, it will take to much time, money and resources to create a usable PPC desktop.


The thing I see is the net result of each, vs total end price to consumer.


How long to port x86

vs

How long before we have similar PPC hardware (including laptops)



How much MORE will the final PPC hardware cost when it is quadcore/multi GHZ with a copy of AOS4

vs

How much MORE will it cost for an x86 copy of AmigaOS4 with x86 hardware



The second big thing is if we ask what is the RoadMap for PPC. We can never get an answer.

So we feel like we are just in limbo with no direction.

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@AmigaHeretic

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How long to port x86 vs How long before we have similar PPC hardware (including laptops)

x86 port will need 2-3 years, I dont know if it will has more 68k or AOS4_PPC compatibility than AROS_x86 has.

vs.

2 weeks to get a used PPC computer on EBay.


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How much MORE will the final PPC hardware cost when it is quadcore/multi GHZ with a copy of AOS4 vs How much MORE will it cost for an x86 copy of AmigaOS4 with x86 hardware

This is offtopic because AmigaOS is a single core OS by design, it will only support SMP when it is changed to an OS with multiple UAE like boxes.


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The second big thing is if we ask what is the RoadMap for PPC. ...

You should not ask for a road Map for CPUs what is needed are cheap boards, and they exist now. A x86 version only exist in the form of AROS.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0