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agami wrote: @Kronos Quote: PCIe ain't a mostly dumb parallel like ISA or Zorro it ain't even something like PCI were you only needed a few extra pins for each slots (and even those were optional when you didn't mind sharing the bandwidth), it is a protocol were each lane is a connection between 1 host and 1 target. Thanks for teaching me what PCIe is and isn't. This is exactly why I come to this forum every day: to learn.

Look, today GPUs have a PCIe interface making a connection to PCIe simple and cheap.

An SoC like AEon is using, might not have the right type of PCIe interface, the CPU can access PCIe but I don't know if they can be used as 'Slaves' in a bus system where others are masters.

I don't know much about this modern Busses, maybe AEon would have to develop their own bridge chips for a proper connection. SoCs are usually designed to be the master in a system, they don't share resources like RAM with others.

And one of the main thing that's lacking in the AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 market are hardware developers developing hardware for AmigaOS4, designing such a card will make everything worse.

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maybe AEon would have to develop their own bridge chips for a proper connection

they don't need to. lots of bridge chips on market, you just have to look.
But this bridge chips needs drivers.

have you seen a bitcoin farm?

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Time for a topic change?

According to this, a complete A1222+ system (BYO KVM) can be pre-ordered from AAA for “only” €1599

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Wow!!! It's a good thing this product isn't used a guide for inflation or we'd be running at 300%!

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More like 500-600% is you remember the "below 300" promises.....

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I read somewhere they made 50 boards. So no surprise the price markup.

At minimum 110 commercial boards, as mentioned by Trevor Dickinson at the 30:48 mark at

https://youtu.be/ARsEhhxmy5s

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According to this, a complete A1222+ system (BYO KVM) can be pre-ordered from AAA for “only” €1599

There's talke of Raptor Systems releasing complete system based on Solid Silicon's Power cores for $1500 in 2024.

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Wow!!! It's a good thing this product isn't used a guide for inflation or we'd be running at 300%!

Kinda like the UK housing market after something happened in the late 90's.

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There's talke of Raptor Systems releasing complete system based on Solid Silicon's Power cores for $1500 in 2024.

Yeah, but how long would it take to port?
Tabor was announced and the work assumingly started 8 years ago.

>1500 euro for a system with such low capacity or performance is definitely a lot but
in a super small market any custom made designs would always be expensive.


Regardless, anyone that has any interest in NG on dedicated HW should buy it as soon as they can. This is likely the last model and production run of NG HW ever. If you do not buy it now you might never again get the opportunity to buy a new machine for NG.

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Yeah, but how long would it take to port?

I didn't say anything about porting. The point was the contrast in performance for similarly priced Power based hardware.

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>1500 euro for a system with such low capacity or performance is definitely a lot but in a super small market any custom made designs would always be expensive.

Considering that 19 years have past, this ain't Pegasos2 level HW (499) this is barely EFIKA level HW (99-199).

Or look at pretty much any retro/enthusiast HW with a similar complexity and it becomes pretty clear that whatever the reason for the insane pricing is it is not the small numbers it ain't because it so complex and it surely isn't because they pay the SW developers so handsomely.

It is because someone down the line has their hands deeper in the pot than they should.
Wether it the holder some license/IP, a chip brooker working with 1000% margins on obsolete $20 parts or board design/production getting outsourced to highest bidder.

As much as a love custom HW just for being "cool" I simply refuse to get fleeced over it.

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V8 wrote: This is likely the last model and production run of NG HW ever.

All I can say is: It better be.

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If I bought one, I would just feel like I'm being taken for all the very bad decisions made by the AOS4 Team over the years. Like this is their "get cash in bank quick" scam to cover the years of wasting time with AOS4 and 'chasing' the next idea without completing it.

$700 or so, ok makes sense but double that is just crazy for what you get. Much better off buying an X1000 or X5000 used if you wanted to run AOS4. Given their track record with past hardware, I would be concerned the all the drivers were never finished. I'm not being negative, that is just where we are in 2023, the value is upside down. If it's faster/better charge more because of the upgrade, if it's slow then make it cheaper. Much like what Kronos mentioned with the Peg II and Efika, you could understand the value. The value here is "this will be the last bespoke hardware that may get multiprocessor if we get it done on the X5000 first that you may see someday and yea the OS/app set is pretty stale." Not very compelling to me anyways.

Or if I was open to any AmigaNG, go buy a 2.5 GHz PCIe or 2.7 PCIX PowerMac and get a way better OS and a kick butt set of apps you can use day one for just a few hundred, and being faster than the A1222 to boot. I'll pass on the kool aid this go around.

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I need to get my Quad 2.5GHz booting again. I really notice the slowness of the 1.5GHz Mac mini, or maybe it’s the AGP 4X ATi Radeon 9200 with 64MB of RAM that’s slowing things down.
Also the backlight is fritzing on my PowerBook G4 1.67GHz.

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Pick up a 2.0 or 2.3 Single Processor PCIe PowerMac and just move the 2.5 Processor over to it. No special settings, just a simple processor swap (the Heatsink is a bit of a pain as you need a LOOOOONGGGGGG hex driver), but that is the only obstacle.

I have done a couple of them. They run MUCH cooler with just the heatsink, since MorphOS only uses one processor and you can dump the liquid cooling.

Keep your eyes open, PolyOrga 1.25 is really close to release and it had some major updates and fixes...

Tutorial on how to swap 2.5 to single processor system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW559f6IRas

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the backlight is fritzing on my PowerBook G4 1.67GHz

It's still possible to pick up NOS Samsung LTN152W6-L01 panels for a reasonable price.

What about that xena/xzorro parrel rco processor thing ?

I that still onboard and what is the use for it ?

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Considering that 19 years have past, this ain't Pegasos2 level HW (499) this is barely EFIKA level HW (99-199).

That was a different time. They targeted PPC enthusiasts in general but also people that wanted a cheap small single board that ran linux (or QNX, but really QNX?).
I think their main competition would have been folks like Soekris and alike that also made small cheap single boards that ran linux for industrial use.

I expect that were targeting AT LEAST 10.000 units and if it was successful, milions more. It was not successful.

That is not the situation today. Today you have plenty of cheap, powerful and capable single board computers like RPi or Risc-V boards. And these systems come with a modern OS, modern development tools and even a modern network stack. There is zero secondary industrial market for something like Tabor as an industrial controller. Times are different now.

When tabor is released, I doubt they will even ship 100 units during its lifetime.
Even die hard NG amigans are showing negative reactions to it.

No one will be rich by selling Tabor. You just can not make a profit when you have a product where saturation is under 100 units throughout the lifetime of the product.
No one is gouging you. This is just lack of scale of economies at play. I think that at this pricepoint and the expected number of sales, Trevor will have a serious financial loss on his hands.

When you build a custom hw for a customer base of less than a hundred shit will become expensive.


TBH I never thought I would defend the OS4 HW market, but here we are

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