Well, I know some of you dont care about demos, but I find them quite intresting and entertaining.

Anyhow, I semi regularly browse pouet.net, and noticed Haujobb made a quite good demo.
So figured Id make a break in the "PPC" waves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZheW0DeJEyk

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=66492

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wow.
i always love demos

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That was a very nice demo indeed :)

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Say what there are amigans that don't like demos ???? Surely you jest

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Looks like a lots of work, has gone into this one.

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I absolutelly love demos, shame that golden days are gone, ppc platform is not popular nowadays

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Awesome!!

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can't get this to go on my 1200T, 060@50, Radeon 9250 setup. System freeze after initial screen saying "Beware of the train.." and some HD activity...

tried disabling Trident as that some times gets demos working but same thing

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Breed wrote: I absolutelly love demos, shame that golden days are gone, ppc platform is not popular nowadays

There's life in the demo scene still, lots of great demos have been made in recent years like this TBL beauty

Just not for PPC

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Thanks for the heads-up. It's great to see that so many demos (and other kinds of productions) are being released these days. The activity is higher than it has been for quite some time. Hopefully one of my teams will contribute with something around Christmas-time too, but time will show. Been years since we last did something. ;)

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Really like!

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Yeah, I saw some OS4 demos in the early days. May have or not been an AGA port. But I didn't see much after that. I guess programming PC hardware under an AmigaOS just isn't the same as programming actual Amiga hardware and breaking the limits. Even though it uses chunky.

Perhaps it's not the PPC hardware at fault. I mean, how many demos were made to work on a PicassoIV or some other PC graphic chipset with chunky modes? I can't recall any at all! And how many need an A1200 with a Mediator and PCI cards plugged in for RTA/RTG? Again, I've never seen any!

Looks like PC hardware is only useful to program a demo on when it's plugged into an actual PC. Although there was less chance of doing it in DOS than DirectX as time went on. And demos only seem exciting or accepted as real when banging on that hardware in realtime.

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there were some rtg demos as well as some warpup demos, even if really few. most of these came from people who joined later morphos, i guess, like mad wizards from poland. now, it isnt exactly a wonder there isnt any demos for os4 hardware. it is too boring, too few and it has too few users, whose abilities cant be compared with those who left, because these in turn were not good at just visions, waiting and dreaming.

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Users of 68k amigas made demos because they have no other options.
68k amigas are to crappy and underpowered.
On ppc amigas You may do more interesting things than making useless apps displaying something without interaction with user.
Thats why demos are not popular on ppc.

demos from Assembly15 are great on Amiga. Incredible, but we know that Amigascene is one of the best.
Today many coder use GPU power, but the best are the oldschool.
I'm very impressed how Amiga can show today

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Users of 68k amigas made demos because they have no other options.

;) actually amiga users had a number of other options at their time, since they not only coded demos but also a number of tools, games and obviously groundbreaking applications. to the point that commercial development was not completely out of the question. amiga demos may have been a number of things, proofs of concept or simply showing off the artistsic and technical skills, that are lost today for most part.

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68k amigas are to crappy and underpowered.

depending of what year you are exactly trying to talk about, they may have been limited but not "underpowered" in any comparison to todays ppc systems, you seem to refer as "amigas".

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On ppc amigas You may do more interesting things than making useless apps displaying something without interaction with user.

must be dependant of what you refer to be "interesting". likely its ports of linux image or video displaying utilitilies, am i right?

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Thats why demos are not popular on ppc.

thanks for contributing to this discussion ;P.

you have proven but one point, your hatred, envy, resentment towards and misconcept of what genuine amiga was.

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Users of 68k amigas made demos because they have no other options.

That’s not the issue, developer who make demos are not interested in productivity applications or things like that, they doing it to compete in demo compos.

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68k amigas are to crappy and underpowered.

That is the point of demos, see what I made this slow under powered CPU, it’s the challenge of doing something on computer that was not supposed to be able do.

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On ppc amigas You may do more interesting things than making useless apps displaying something without interaction with user.

Well the NG users are people who are looking to the future, not the past, I think most NG developers are more interested in getting there applications working and modernized then, making something that has not really have any practical application beyond being nice for the eye.

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Well, there are several good ppc demos, my favorite is Planet Potion.

http://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=608&order=release

Im not overly concerned with the demo platform, as long as its intresting/entertaining.

But I guess some democoders finds the challenge to produce impressive demos on very limited hardware more intresting than on state of the art machines.

Britelite made some comments regarding this last year;

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38954&forum=27&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#733250

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38954&forum=27&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#733268

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That is the point of demos, see what I made this slow underpowered pace of s**t. it’s the challenge of doing something on a underpowered computer.

thats from the point of view of someone who always expected, what he considers to be "amiga" (right or nwrong), to be underpowered. this wasnt always the case. demos may be used to show off skills and system abilities beyond usually expactable no matter advancement or system limitations. mind you, there i pc demoscene even today. the ppc systems that claim heritage of amiga unfortunatelly are not attractive enough, to play any role in any of these comparisons.

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Well the NG users are people who are looking to the future, not the past, I think most NG developers are more interested in getting there applications working and modernized then, making something that has not really have any practical application.

im not talking about looking anywhere or dreaming of anything but about simple facts. there is only a few simple os4 native applications. whatever there is beyond that, it is mostly lesser or better ports from linux. amiga on the contrary had an massive proposal on software, not just demos. so os4 has neither the one or the other, which is an ansnwer to obviously wrongly informed posting by that "amigappc".

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im not talking about looking anywhere or dreaming of anything but about simple facts. there is only a few simple os4 native applications. whatever there is beyond that, it is mostly lesser or better ports from linux. amiga on the contrary had an massive proposal on software, not just demos. so os4 has neither the one or the other, which is an ansnwer to obviously wrongly informed posting by that "amigappc".

Well the work that has been going on AmigaOS4, is mostly about improvements.

Improving Warp3D.
Improving video playback.
Updating Dopus5 to work with AmigaOS4.
Updating BarsAndPipes to work with AmigaOS4.
Updating AmigaAmp to work with AmigaOS4.
Audio Evaluation.
Work is on the way to improve Octamed so it work on AmigaOS4.
Updating Basilisk 2 so it work on AmigaOS4.
There is new spreadsheet program that work on AmigaOS4.
There is work processor programs like AbiWord, let's not forget Cinnamon writer.
Gimp for Cygnix.
DvPlayer
CodeBench.

OS4Depot.net is packed with software, just not demos.

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