@ fishy_fis

We still have not heard for Acube on the issue.

Its all about how you build the cost into the sales price .
If they have problems finding Radeon HD 4000 series cards too then will have
to add the new driver to their Sam offerings.

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the problem is not trevor, acube, aeon or amigakit or what they do. the problem is rather that apparently essential components of the system which is closed source are being yet out sourced to the third party. this will become a mess of availablility issues, cross responsibilities, licensing, who pays for what, and it all being closed source, such a third party can just fold and disappear leaving the system without such a vital component again.

good thing is that the above mentioned radeonhd drivers are not actually that essential, because one is still better off with an old radeon9xxx. so actually the whole story can just be easily skipped as non-issue, neither in positive nor negative respect.

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From this thread it seems:
- some people are happy to pay for advancement
- some people might be happy if they can pay for AOS4 not to advance
- some would want everything for free (and there is no such thing as "free")


Damn, I might pay even if I can not use the driver at the moment. (I paid for CGX4.1 but I think I never installed it)

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When did the Amiga community become such a bunch of whingers?

What, you only just noticed? Although it sadly seems the case that many users can't even read, or wait for clarification before jumping to the wrong conclusion. I am really puzzled by some people's reaction:

The (v0.32) drivers used by the Sam460, for any Radeon HD 4xxx card they bought with their machine, are I think *complete* and working fine. They have not suddenly stopped working! And I believe that Sam460 owners will get Gallium 3D with AmigaOS4.2, just like everyone else.

If A-Eon had not paid for these drivers for newer Radeon HD (5xxx & above) cards, then presumably we would not get any at all. So we should be thanking A-Eon.

If you want to complain to anyone, then presumably that would be ACube... except I have yet to hear of any problems with the current Radeon HD 4xxx support that would justify such a complaint. (djrikki's Sam460 complaint seems to be an isolated incident that he is not prepared to investigate.)

AFAICS, the people complaining are not making any coherant sense, and are jumping to the wrong conclusions.

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@KimmoK

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some people might be happy if they can pay for AOS4 not to advance

Good one!

I must realy admire great interest of some people from non-OS4 factions in this news, their covert hatred makes my dark side happy.


I understand anyone wants full support for his computer (eg. SAM460) without additional cost. However, 28 GBP is not that much money, it is equal to price of some newer PC game.

@Trevordick:

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Just to clarify, I am not a director of AmigaKit and have no owership in that company.

Oh come on, are you taking PR lessons from ben Hermans now?

Matthew Leaman is the director of both A-EON and Amigakit.

Ok, my 2cts...

I'm happy that modern GFX drivers are being done,even at a cost.
But.... I already paid an arm and a leg for the hardware, and paid quite a bit for the OS itself, and now I must pay extra for GFX drivers because I didnt buy an AEON machine ?
Also, what's next ? Pay for sound drivers, IDE drivers and so on ? Could be quite an extra sum of money.

Pay for an OS component that is developed by a third party ? Fine ! That lower the price of the OS itself !!

Again, I dont have an issue with paying if we might get better drivers this way, but the concept it quite absurd if you ask me.

bleh....

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BTW Hans website contains some information about using RadeonHD in machines other than X1000 and SAM.

http://www.hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-card-recommendations-for-amigaos-4-x/

For what its worth I tried a PowerColor PCI 4350 in my Mediator TX to see if it would show up with PCI scan, and it doesn't.
The Bridge on the Card does but nothing behind it.

I also tried the Same Powercolor PCI 4350 in my PEG2 and XE and UBoot / OF would not display on it. So I guess like the OS4.1 kernel and the Mediator it can't configure the card because of the type of pcibridge used on it.

So I'd suggest people read the info on Hans website and diggest it carefully before buying a PCI RadeonHD card and buying the Driver then flaming A-EON / Hans because the firmware on older PCI hardware doesn't support it.

As an X1000 owner I'm glad I get this for free but would have quite happily of purchased it.

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But.... I already paid an arm and a leg for the hardware, and paid quite a bit for the OS itself, and now I must pay extra for GFX drivers because I didnt buy an AEON machine ?

No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube. What is being offered for sale now are drivers for new, more expensive cards that you don't have. If you'd like to use one of those cards in your Sam460, there is now a driver available for sale for it. but you'll have to buy the new (and not cheap) card to even need it. These drivers did not even exist before, but they exist or are being created now because A-Eon is funding their creation.

There's no reason for you to buy the driver unless you buy a new card. Until yesterday, you didn't even know there was the possibility of using one of the new cards. The new drivers are being created at some expense and effort. Part of that development cost has already been paid for by X1000 owners, who have also paid for an OS4.2 license. Sam460 owners have not paid for an OS4.2 license.

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As an X1000 owner I'm glad I get this for free but would have quite happily of purchased it.

I know how you feel and agree. But you did already pay for it, so feel good about that.

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No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube. What is being offered for sale now are drivers for new, more expensive cards that you don't have.

Quoted For Truth, because you are one of the few people who are actually making sense.

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Good news! I will buy the driver asap. Any recomendations abt what card to buy when its possible? Thanks to all ppl involved!! A big step forward!

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I've had my say and dont really care to drone on it, but the references to the new driver being for "more expensive cards", or "cards costing hundreds of dollars", etc. (actual quotes) is a little bit misleading. Radeon 5xxxHD cards can be picked up for $30 brand new, and 6xxxHD cards for under $40 (both cheaper than the driver :))

I could go on to say the whole feigned, "head in the sand, nothing is wrong here" mentality is somewhat unusual (at least some people are voicing their discontent), but I wont :P
Nothing wrong with being nonchalant, but feigned nonchalance is a bit weird.

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@JurassicC

The driver should work on Sam440ep models using a PCI version of the Radeon HD Cards
or the right PCIE to PCI adpater and a PCIE card. Works well for non 3D apps and Video playback. I have tested with PCIE 4350,4670 and 4850 cards with previous versions of the Driver .

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Radeon 5xxxHD cards can be picked up for $30 brand new, and 6xxxHD cards for under $40 (both cheaper than the driver :))

I'd like to shop where you shop!

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I think A-Eon or Amigakit should officially update the news item spelling this out. This would have avoided alot of confusion straight from the initial announcement IMHO.

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how well is this driver working with the best avaible gfx card in an amiga one micro..

i am thinking about getting an gfx card to my amiga one micro and some more memory..
use it until i can afort an high end. or should i just sell it as it is now.i am going to the netbook no mater what..

@mbrantley

Most shops will offer similar prices, but I quoted prices from msy.com.au if you'd care to take a look for yourself.

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Most shops will offer similar prices, but I quoted prices from msy.com.au if you'd care to take a look for yourself.

Pretty darned good. I gotta look at places other than Amazon and Newegg next time I buy something.

But I still think Hans needs to get paid.

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No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube.

A driver that doesn't do overlay or 3D - I'm not sure if all 2D operations are hardware accelerated by now? (I remember a status report claiming "full 2D acceleration" on some cards and "2d acceleration" on others)

I wasn't interested in buying a Sam460,so I didn't follow all the PR too closely. But if either ACube's advertising for their hardware or Hyperion's PR for 4.1 gave buyers the impression that proper support for some Radeon HD models would be included, I'd understand if people don't like this turn of events - the current state of the driver certainly wouldn't match my definition of "proper".

But this should be discussed in a seperate thread, as it's not A-Eon's fault. I'm just wondering if these parties are still talking to each other at all? The way things are communicated is a mess that leaves you wondering who's going to sue whom next. But hey, at least the hardware is cheap.

Oh, wait...

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