OS 4.0 hard hitting questions???

Ok i will ask the questions that need addressed...
instead of yeah huzzah os 4.0 is here yippee...

1. Here we go again AMIGA FANS.....
Waiting another month seems like the oh so familiar strategy of hurry up and wait?
So when its time the date comes and goes...........

2. Lets pretend Os4.0 is here we all go out and buy a copy and then what?
What do we get with this classic release (( not sure why it's deemed classic ))?
Over 75% of all of us out here in Amiga wasteland don't own a PPC card...
cant find one.. nor could afford one.. if it was in a local stores tomorrow at the outrageous
prices of $ 600-700-800-900 $ who is kidding who here for a classic to come alive and do what it can run some of the old software but we all know some is not all (( hell Play station figured it out that by running the PSX1 games PSX2 would be that much more cooler?

3.Seems we have been waiting around with this checkered carrot hanging from hyperions string for so many years we have forgotten no body (( Including the sharks)) are making PPC's that 0s 4.0 can even run on anymore .. the rest of us are just in limbo unable to do a thing with that cool new software...)) Erks.. me off to think an update was made that does not support any of the backward compatible models doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4.So call me a troll throw me under a bridge beat me with a Joystick cord and spit checkred saliva at me but seriously what will we gain if only 1/4 or less of us can do anything again with this darn update?

Gggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr showing my teeth...


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What will we gain? Hopefully some more developers so that, when the legal fiasco is over and OS4 is finally available with new PowerPC hardware (hopefully), we'll have more software to run on it.

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4.So call me a troll throw me under a bridge beat me with a Joystick cord and spit checkred saliva at me

A bit harsch, I'd say, but you asked for it...

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Well gain more users. Better classic ppc users that have waited for a reaaaaaly long time now then none more. They also wants the fun that we A1 users have. OS4 users base will be bigger. And for the future will see what happens with amigainc vs hyperion. Or maybe its better to not make support for classic ppc users ? and just wait.

Always wining ;p

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I'm not too sure the point of your rant. Annoyed that classic only includes Classics with PPC cards? Well, that's nothing new, so it shouldn't be a surprise right now.

People have indeed been clamoring for OS4 for classics (which by it's long time definition now has always meant with PPC/only) for some number of years now, and it seems that might finally be released.

That would (assuming it's released, as that's still some 5-6 weeks away..) gain some number of sales for Hyperion, and some amount of $, although no clue how much, and would bring some new blood to the group of OS4 users, which is sorely needed at this point.

It doesn't help people without a PPC equipped classic, but it does allow more numbers than now to participate, as well as there being some number of users who might not have been able to afford, or not inclined to buy an A1, which are no longer available..

So, yes, it's _something_, at least, if OS4 classic gets released. There may also be devs trying to code on Linux with a cross-compiler, without an A1, and that's far from an ideal way to troubleshoot and debug problem code, so assuming they have the right hardware, they can have a test system for the cost of OS4 only.

It's far from ideal. Even SAM, while I'm glad it's been released, is far from ideal. From a user and cost perspective, OS4 on PPC (sorry, leaving x86 out of this..) Mac Minis/Moana would have been the best bang for the buck solution, but as that obviously hasn't been able to be worked out at this time, anything that increases the number of OS4 users and developers is still better than nothing at all.

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Wegster I guess it stops me in my tracks when I realize as well as you too that Amiga will go no where just as long as there is no new hardware to attract new audiences..

Right now !!!
I would buy 4.0 but then...i realize dang I cannot run it on anything
I own nothing that will run it and i cant even buy anything whatsoever to run it anymore!!!

OS 4.0 although new and bright and shiny is tailored to only a few folks!



Seems like a decade late and few dollars short...


Time to look at Amiga SYS!!!

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IOWASURFER wrote: @wegster Wegster I guess it stops me in my tracks when I realize as well as you too that Amiga will go no where just as long as there is no new hardware to attract new audiences.. Right now !!! I would buy 4.0 but then...i realize dang I cannot run it on anything I own nothing that will run it and i cant even buy anything whatsoever to run it anymore!!! OS 4.0 although new and bright and shiny is tailored to only a few folks! Seems like a decade late and few dollars short...

Well, yeah. At least a decade late, if you're thinking of really gaining _new_ users, versus regain a few old users. Bad contracts will do that, or...as we're told, 'desktop isn't the primary target, so PPC makes sense.' That doesn't help any of us that want to run it on their old Macs, or my semi new-ish Macbook with Core Duo..but, there simply isn't anything very likely to be done about that right now, or maybe even ever, which would be a shame.

We could certainly discuss would have/could have/should have, until we're blue in the face...it's not something never discussed before.. But, it's also out of our control. I'm somewhat surprised to see Hyperion making the classic announcement as it is..but still, any new OS4 user is still a net gain, whether it's through OS4 on classics, were someone to try to make a design based on an A1, or any other way that gets us more users running OS4.

The thought that OS4 could attract anymore more than hobbyists at this stage of the game though...sorry, I just don't see that one at all..not on desktop at least. It's simply missing too many features and software, as well as hardware to run on, to really make a difference at this time to much of anyone. But, I still hope some additional 'hobbyists' manage to run it..

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Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

Why not ask a true hard hitting question.

If OS4 on classics is such marvellous news then why has hyperion (themselves, not a lap dog) made a official announcement?

Looking like they are trying to scam amiga inc.

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Yeah I saw you had posted that one glitter earlier on another thread but didn't want to copy ya but I was thinking the same darn thing dood!?!?!



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1. Continue as normal until this date, and then either enjoy OS4 classic availabiility or not, whichever happens.

2a. Use it.
2b. The ability to run OS4 on an Amiga 4000, 3000, 1200 with PPC upgrade. it's called classic because it runs on old Commodore Amiga computers which are termed "Classic" Amigas.
2c. I see a question mark but can't understand what is being asked.

3. No question there?

4. We gain 1/4 of the current Amiga population as OS4 users.

If it's not released, then we continue as we are today. big deal. We know about broken promises, and we should be pretty suspicious of just about anyone announcing anything anymore. Be happy if it actually happens. If it doesn't happen, then be disappointed.

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Troll. You asked...

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billt wrote: 4. We gain 1/4 of the current Amiga population as OS4 users.

Am I reading this right? You think 1/4 of the current Amiga population have a classic Amiga with a PPC card? By my math that would also mean about half the Amiga population has an AmigaOne and over 50% of the Amiga Population has MorphOS.
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I think there is only a few fully working PowerUP cards out there, but how cares they have been working on the classic hardware for where long time, I think this is about finishing what they started, at this point.

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And those that *can't* enjoy OS4 on Classic PPC Amiga (that's you & me) should probably ignore it, until they have something to be happy about... And use WinUAE until then...

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@Tigger

Clearly Bill is referring to the Commodore and Escom Amigas, not the "next-gen" stuff by Eyetech or Phase5/Genesi.

If you look at the active Classic amiga user population (ie people who own an original Amiga computer and use it at least once a month), the idea of 25% of them owning a PPC card is not that ludicrous. These are the hardcore amiga fans who are using their amigas to do what the rest of us do on an x86 box or a PPC Mac, who have kept their A3000s and 4000s running for 10+ years and have been maintaining their systems. Sure, it's only a few hundred people worldwide, but you have to start somewhere.

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2) PPC Enabled so the users were eager and experienced enough to install
3) A lot of drivers exist for these PPC enabled Amigas
4) Back to seeing the Amiga box we all grew up with and love.

I can understand why Amiga OS 4.0 Classic is required.
No offense but these PPC Amiga Users are the ones with the brains and money, they deserve it.

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If I was to split my computer usage into categories is would probably be something like this:-

Windoze XP & Vista - 35%,
A-1 PPC OS4.0 - 20%
Amiga Classic PPC 15%
Pegasos MorphOS - 10%
Amiga Classic - MorphOS PowerUp - 5%
Linux Distros 5% (Various but mainly Ubuntu)
WinUAE (AmiKit) - 5%
Amithlon 3%
MiniMac 2%

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I am a collector of Commodore and Amiga computers and a current OS4.0 beta tester. Using OS4.0 beta on my PPC equipped A4000T really gives me a great thrill (sad or what?). It has really bought my Classic Amiga computer back to life. I believe other Amiga classic users will get the same buzz using OS4.0 on their PPC equipped machines.

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What will we gain? Hopefully some more developers so that, when the legal fiasco is over and OS4 is finally available with new PowerPC hardware (hopefully), we'll have more software to run on it.

I have read this hope for OS4-for-classic-gets-new-developers before.

Do you really think there is anyone out there who

(a) Would be willing to put up with the performance of gcc 4.x on a 233 MHz L2-cacheless CPU,
(b) Has any interest in AmigaOS
(c) Has any skills as a developer *and*
(d) Is not yet an OS4-on-classic betatester?

I very strongly doubt it.

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I have read this hope for OS4-for-classic-gets-new-developers before. Do you really think there is anyone out there who (a) Would be willing to put up with the performance of gcc 4.x on a 233 MHz L2-cacheless CPU, (b) Has any interest in AmigaOS (c) Has any skills as a developer *and* (d) Is not yet an OS4-on-classic betatester? I very strongly doubt it.

Let's set your points aside for a moment. Others may choose to debate them. I will not. Let's instead look at Hans' word "hopefully", ok?

I deal with morale issues every day here. Think of this instead, in relation to two possible choices:

(1)Hope...you develop, or you test, or you work on improving whatever other skill/s you bring to this community.

(2)No hope...you sit on the couch with your open bag of potato chips and a beer, bemoaning the fact that there IS no hope. You justify your decision to do nothing based on your conclusion of hopelessness.

Given these two choices, is it not logical to attempt to instill a ray of hope into the community as a whole? Do you see how development might possibly be encouraged in -general- just based on this hope?

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