Click Here
home features news forums classifieds faqs links search
6071 members 
Amiga Q&A /  Free for All /  Emulation /  Gaming / (Latest Posts)
Login

Nickname

Password

Lost Password?

Don't have an account yet?
Register now!

Support Amigaworld.net
Your support is needed and is appreciated as Amigaworld.net is primarily dependent upon the support of its users.
Donate

Menu
Main sections
Home
Features
News
Forums
Classifieds
Links
Downloads
Extras
OS4 Zone
IRC Network
AmigaWorld Radio
Newsfeed
Top Members
Amiga Dealers
Information
About Us
FAQs
Advertise
Polls
Terms of Service
Search

IRC Channel
Server: irc.amigaworld.net
Ports: 1024,5555, 6665-6669
SSL port: 6697
Channel: #Amigaworld
Channel Policy and Guidelines

Who's Online
0 crawler(s) on-line.
 74 guest(s) on-line.
 2 member(s) on-line.


 NutsAboutAmiga,  BigD

You are an anonymous user.
Register Now!
 BigD:  26 secs ago
 NutsAboutAmiga:  3 mins ago
 matthey:  15 mins ago
 Hypex:  20 mins ago
 DiscreetFX:  20 mins ago
 RobertB:  22 mins ago
 Hammer:  53 mins ago
 amigakit:  54 mins ago
 Rob:  56 mins ago
 pixie:  58 mins ago

/  Forum Index
   /  Amiga OS4.x \ Workbench 4.x
      /  OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Register To Post

Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 Next Page )
PosterThread
Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 11:05:04
#121 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 11245
From: Greensborough, Australia

@polka.

Quote:
That sounds as if only USB 1.1 is used


Tested USB1.1 speed on my A1 and I averaged 900KB a second.

Edit: Linux gave me an average of 10MB/s from my USb2 card using the 2.6.31 kernel.

Last edited by Hypex on 30-Aug-2011 at 11:14 AM.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 11:18:53
#122 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 11245
From: Greensborough, Australia

@broadblues

@broadblues

Quote:
That requires a hardware fix, it's not that resistors are not 'activated' it's that they are not present


There is now two sides to this story and this just confuses the issue. According to tonyw there is nothing wrong with the hardware in this respect and that the resistors are present and need to be turned on by software.

So now, I wonder: Which is it?

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Deniil715 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 11:31:39
#123 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 14-May-2003
Posts: 4237
From: Sweden

@Hypex

Quote:
There is now two sides to this story and this just confuses the issue. According to tonyw there is nothing wrong with the hardware in this respect and that the resistors are present and need to be turned on by software.

So now, I wonder: Which is it?


Having the pull-ups inside the VIA itself makes a lot of sense. Why should they be external in the first place? And they not being turned on also makes a lot of sense (well, according to the way it acts).

I put external resistors on my A1 and wondered how you could miss something like this.

_________________
- Don't get fooled by my avatar, I'm not like that (anymore, mostly... maybe only sometimes)
> Amiga Classic and OS4 developer for OnyxSoft.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
1Mouse 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 11:57:49
#124 ]
Super Member
Joined: 23-Jun-2005
Posts: 1356
From: Bradford, West Yorkshire

I know it's early days, but has anyone tried Heretic II under Update 3?

_________________
1 AmigaOne G4XE (OS4 Pre-Release Update4)
Minimig
Sam440ep + OS4.1FE
Sam460cr + OS4.1FE

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
1Mouse 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 12:23:41
#125 ]
Super Member
Joined: 23-Jun-2005
Posts: 1356
From: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Have just done my update on my Sam440ep:

My mouse (A-Eon): Non responsive
My keyboard (A-Eon): Non responsive
My workbench wallpaper has gone
My AmiDock has gone

Without keyboard and mouse I am unable to check any further



Should I boot with mu Update 2 disk and then amend Installed Update 3 settings?

Last edited by 1Mouse on 30-Aug-2011 at 12:28 PM.
Last edited by 1Mouse on 30-Aug-2011 at 12:24 PM.

_________________
1 AmigaOne G4XE (OS4 Pre-Release Update4)
Minimig
Sam440ep + OS4.1FE
Sam460cr + OS4.1FE

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 12:29:57
#126 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 11245
From: Greensborough, Australia

@All

Okay I just installed it.

First impressions:

It can't mouint PC0: and I get an error on bootup. Looks like they forgot to update files in both Devs and Storage.

I also got an error about Mixer being the wrong version. Musy have to remove it from my startup.

YAM and IBrowse: These work but what are they doing on my Workbench! I have them on seperate screens.

USB2: Not looking good so far. My Kingston "STORE N GO" was detected but no icon mounts. I tried a second Kingston but it just keeps reading it endlessly and gave me some error about mounting.

Annoying USB printer messages: Damn it! DiskMonTools give me an alert and I keep getting this message about my USB printer not being there!! This is a very old annoyance, how could this be missed!!!

Calculator: Unfortuately this old bug is still not fixed. I still can't use extended mode, Calculator just locks up. Whether the bug is in Calculator or the sticky menus in Intuition (which I have activated) remains to be seen.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
OldFart 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 12:41:00
#127 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 12-Sep-2004
Posts: 3062
From: Stad; en d'r is moar ain stad en da's Stad. Makkelk zat!

@Hypex

Quote:
Looks like they forgot to update files in both Devs and Storage.

AFAIK there were no updates in Devs...
Quote:
USB2: Not looking good so far. My Kingston "STORE N GO" was detected but no icon mounts. I tried a second Kingston but it just keeps reading it endlessly and gave me some error about mounting.

Tried my Kingston Traveller; it mounted in split second.

OldFart

FWIW: A1-C bog standard

_________________
More then three levels of indigestion and you're scroomed!

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
1Mouse 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 12:51:10
#128 ]
Super Member
Joined: 23-Jun-2005
Posts: 1356
From: Bradford, West Yorkshire

I've found that my keyboard becomes unresponsive after the splash screen has gone.

I check by pressing caps lock on and off while booting and the light on the keyboard kept coming on and off until the splash screen had gone then nothing.

_________________
1 AmigaOne G4XE (OS4 Pre-Release Update4)
Minimig
Sam440ep + OS4.1FE
Sam460cr + OS4.1FE

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
tonyw 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:05:42
#129 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 8-Mar-2003
Posts: 3240
From: Sydney (of course)

@Hypex

Quote:

According to tonyw there is nothing wrong with the hardware in this respect and that the resistors are present and need to be turned on by software.


That is only a theory, first mentioned back in 2003 when the A1s first appeared. Only the designers of the VIA 686B know for sure, but it stands to reason since "other Southbridges do it that way". It might have been Alan Redhouse who said it, it might have been one of the early devs, can't remember.

_________________
cheers
tony

Hyperion Support Forum: http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:08:20
#130 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 11245
From: Greensborough, Australia

@OldFart

Quote:
AFAIK there were no updates in Devs...


I found it. They disabled floppy in the Kicklayout. But they leave everythng else activated. Especially things I don't have. I wonder why?

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:09:57
#131 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 11245
From: Greensborough, Australia

@tonyw

Thanks the clarifaction. So you mean I downloaded a VIA PDF to track down USB resistor flag bits all for nothing?

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
TiredofLife 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:10:34
#132 ]
Super Member
Joined: 6-Jul-2005
Posts: 1702
From: Here

@hotrod

The Filer problem occurs for me also.
Have tried with an updated install and also with a clean reinstallation.

A USB hub that worked under for 4.1, 4.1u1 and 4.1u2 no longer works.
The hub is pretty old and refused to work with a lot of windows and Mac systems, so I
am not too worried by that.

I do get an AmigaDos error on bootup, but haven't had time to track down the cause.
From memory, some sort of null base error.
Doesn't occur with a clean install.

No other problems so far.
Have tried Ibrowse, SabreMSN and Yam and amongst others and haven't had any issues.


_________________
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're upside down.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Hypex 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:11:43
#133 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 6-May-2007
Posts: 11245
From: Greensborough, Australia

@1Mouse

Have you got them plugged into the back ports where the manual says? Have you got a hub to test them in also? This is not good. The Sam is meant to be rock solid and now we find the Silicon chipset has a bug! Would explain why Linux complains about USB when booting the Sam perhaps.

Unfortunately it looks like my VIA USB2 card is incompatible with EHCI. Even though the VIA USB1.1 hardware from the same series on my motherboard has been working perfectly fine for years!

Last edited by Hypex on 30-Aug-2011 at 01:14 PM.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
cheesegrate 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:19:30
#134 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 30-Apr-2007
Posts: 259
From: Australia



so lets sum up up3 shall we>?

users complaining about keyboard and mice not working
mui update breaking yam and ibrowse, ssolie blames program authors
usb 2 crippled speeds for users , thankfully does not corrupt data anymore
some users complaining about not getting past the splash screen

ssolie the new project manager needs to pull his socks up if os4.2 is ever going to reach a competent standard

_________________
"ICE CREAM, ICE CREAM!" - Speedball 2.

"Look behind you, a three-headed monkey!" - Monkey Island

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
1Mouse 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:20:52
#135 ]
Super Member
Joined: 23-Jun-2005
Posts: 1356
From: Bradford, West Yorkshire

@Hypex

The keyboard and mouse were plugged in at the back but have also tried the front and get the same issue.

I have a USB hub and will try that now.

_________________
1 AmigaOne G4XE (OS4 Pre-Release Update4)
Minimig
Sam440ep + OS4.1FE
Sam460cr + OS4.1FE

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
wawa 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:29:53
#136 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 21-Jan-2008
Posts: 6259
From: Unknown

@cheesegrate

as old bugs have been updated, few added, definitely upgrade.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
cha05e90 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:33:57
#137 ]
Super Member
Joined: 18-Apr-2009
Posts: 1275
From: Germany

@cheesegrate

...I'm really looking forward to install Update 3 on my Pegasos II and my SAM440ep this weekend!

_________________
X1000|II/G4|440ep|2000/060|2000/040|1000

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Daytona675x 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:37:02
#138 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 5-Jan-2011
Posts: 491
From: Germany

All working well for me (until now), thanks.

Though the only real improvement I actually feel is the improved USB transfer speed without corupting data.

My config: sam460ex, Radeon RV730, Sony MicroVault 2GB USB sticks, Logitech G11 keyboard, Cyborg RAT 9 mouse, keyboard and mouse connected via Belkin switch, BenQ BL2400 screen with speakers.

Sound is working right after cold boot btw.

Still: without 3D acceleration (and fully accelerated 2D compositing) this machine is still quite useless for me. But I'm patient, just like most of us

_________________
AmigaOS 4.1 FE (sam460ex Radeon 9200 / RadeonHD), MorphOS 3.8 (PowerMac G4 733MHz Radeon 9000), AROS (x86), A1200 (060 80MHz Indivision MK2), A500, A600, CDTV
Wings Remastered Development Diary

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
1Mouse 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:43:48
#139 ]
Super Member
Joined: 23-Jun-2005
Posts: 1356
From: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Have just tried a USB hub which I know works as I have used it in the past.

I tested booting and pressing the caps lock key so I know it stops working just after the splash screen has gone.

I've also noticed that once splash screen goes my pointer is sometime a clock and sometime the actual pointer.

Could there be a way in UBoot to get the mouse and keyboard working?

What actually happens to the system the minute the splash screen goes?

_________________
1 AmigaOne G4XE (OS4 Pre-Release Update4)
Minimig
Sam440ep + OS4.1FE
Sam460cr + OS4.1FE

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
ddni 
Re: OS 4.1 Update 3 Released
Posted on 30-Aug-2011 13:48:49
#140 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 11-Jan-2007
Posts: 818
From: Northern Ireland

@1Mouse

Haven't read all 8 pages, but have you listed your issue at the official Hyperion OS4 forum?
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewforum.php?f=13

_________________
AmigaOne X1000

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 Next Page )

[ home ][ about us ][ privacy ] [ forums ][ classifieds ] [ links ][ news archive ] [ link to us ][ user account ]
Copyright (C) 2000 - 2019 Amigaworld.net.
Amigaworld.net was originally founded by David Doyle