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Re: Moral compass Posted on 8-Oct-2018 13:37:53
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Polabe and C=Holdings (actually, the same people |
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No argument. We deduced that some time ago.
I'm merely curious if/how this might affect others in the community who think they have a license for:
Commodore C=Commodore Chicken Lips (image)
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 8-Oct-2018 14:04:03
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Time will tell. =)
By the way, the official decision has been published on the EUIPO page. Polabe's oppositions have been rejected.
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 12-Oct-2018 18:39:52
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Yes, I see that.
Interesting details on both Jens and Brian as well.
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 11-Jan-2019 12:23:13
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 11-Jan-2019 12:26:26
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So when are they going to make something worthy of the Commodore badge instead of some cheap china manufactured mobile phone. _________________ A1200 ACA1232 128MB Indivison MkIICr Elbox empty Power Tower RPi3 Emulating C64 ZX Atari PS BBC Wii with Amiga emulation Vampire v4 SA |
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 11-Jan-2019 21:56:06
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So when are they going to make something worthy of the Commodore badge instead of some cheap china manufactured mobile phone. |
I could not agree, maybe they should do what former C= did: Copying Apple.
Currently Apple makes a fortune selling china manufactured mobile phones.
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 7-Feb-2019 15:00:21
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Not quite so official.
I hope the following more current summary (I tried to be brief and to point) brings this matter up to date:
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SO many times I heard the argument concerning non-use. If you read the comment at bottom of the last link I supplied, this is directly addressed.
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 7-Feb-2019 18:16:26
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number6 wrote: @paolone
Not quite so official.
I hope the following more current summary (I tried to be brief and to point) brings this matter up to date:
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Nothing that may impact CBM's current registration. A belgian court ruled out that EUIPO didn't act very well when it canceled the C=Commodore brand in 2015, and should pay the expenses. According to the documentation, this saves only their registration of the trademark for specific categories of products, the only ones C=Holdings demostrated use of (videogames to be used with TVs or computer monitors). EUIPO might also appeal this decision, if they like.
If you read the whole stuff, Commodore Business Machines is never mentioned. Moreover, C=Holdings/Polabe/whatever must pay expenses for their rejected oppositions to CBM. The EUIPO, again, ruled out that they didn't properly use the trademark in the 5 years time frame. |
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 7-Feb-2019 21:04:43
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Blah, blah, blah, didn't Individual Computing get a C= trademark license? That was quite interesting but other than that C= should just be left to rot. Atari's brand has been nurtured over the years but C= is worthless now. _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 7-Feb-2019 21:34:02
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Blah, blah, blah, didn't Individual Computing get a C= trademark license?
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They got a license for the C=Commodore trademark from C=Holdings, which is the one the EUIPO first canceled, and then re-activated for a limited range of products. By the way, that's the past and I like the guys at Individual Computers. I've bought a Keyrah from them long ago I still use on my modded A1200.
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That was quite interesting but other than that C= should just be left to rot. Atari's brand has been nurtured over the years but C= is worthless now. |
I cannot agree here. IMHO, the C= brand deserves to be used, on nowadays hardware. There's neither any practical, nor any ethical motivation to "let it rot" as you said. I'm very fond of Commodore, since it had been the computer maker which gave a precise direction to my own life. Probably it wouldn't tell anything to young people, but the C with the flag still warms my heart when I see it. |
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 7-Feb-2019 22:34:41
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...but the C with the flag still warms my heart when I see it. |
Just reminds me of the arses that both saved and screwed over the Los Gatos team. Jay, Dave Morse, Carl, RJ etc were the people I have a fondness for and not the C= company men. Jack (C= main man who everyone remembers as the soul of the company) screwed over Chuck Peddle a real computer / CPU designer genius C= seemed to try and demotivate every engineer that ever worked there. Yes they gave them freedom but they definitely didn't manage them correctly or market their products. I can't 'love' the chicken head and the memories of their corporate madness depress me. Thanks for the Commodore Amiga but screw them for everything else.
.. oh yeah the Vic-20 William Shatner adverts were a good idea too Credit where credits due 
...But what about squandered product placement opportunities in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and later Jurassic Park? Morons...Last edited by BigD on 07-Feb-2019 at 11:49 PM.
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 22-Feb-2019 13:38:05
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Set? to be dissolved in 4 days?
pdf under the filing history tab
Interesting comments on the Commodore site (albeit google translated): Quote:
from English law all its physical and INTELLECTUAL properties become the property of the Queen. |
This occurred after the recent information about Cloanto appeared. Makes me wonder about any connection: Cloanto on CBM/Amiga Copyrights
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 23-Feb-2019 18:35:03
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Since the beginning Cloanto had express its reservations and objections to Canigiani's business. Last edited by Nonefornow on 23-Feb-2019 at 06:35 PM.
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Atari 2019 - one big scam? Posted on 23-Feb-2019 19:37:02
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Atari's brand has been nurtured over the years |
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Re: Atari 2019 - one big scam? Posted on 23-Feb-2019 21:56:06
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I don't think a scam watch devalues the Atari brand. It is used on T-Shirts and other branded products the world over! It was used to launch one of my favourite PS3 game Ghostbusters. It is alive but the last time C= was at all used in relevant way was the Commodore Gaming PC cases over 10 years ago. The brand is dead IMHO. Commodore died long live the Amiga! _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Atari 2019 - one big scam? Posted on 25-Feb-2019 19:11:03
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Although the history of Atari is pretty convoluted, it does not look as if there is any confusion about or legal challenges to the ownership / brand rights.
Stores like Target and Walmart are inundated with retro inspired items - toys tshirt magazines households items etc.
But nothing with C= or Amiga
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 30-Mar-2019 15:53:26
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 7-Oct-2019 17:09:27
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 9-Nov-2019 13:46:50
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The latest name change and other activities, albeit some months ago:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10385202
Paperwork under "filing history"
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Re: Moral compass Posted on 13-Dec-2019 13:05:18
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Perhaps 3rd time was not the charm. From December 10, 2019:
another compulsory strike-off
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