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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 12-Aug-2015 21:24:36
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Android police comment (numerous dated updates throughout the drama)
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I wonder why nobody noticed that C=Holdings b.v. awakened and just released a press release in which claim that is the only company who have rights on Commodore trademark, moreover yesterday on OIHM website CBM's logo registration was blocked by an opposition. So I think that in the near future there will be a lawsuite between the two Commodores. Time will tell ! |
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Stay tuned.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 12-Aug-2015 21:39:16
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Another post made with the link.
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Grounds - likelihood of confusion |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 12-Aug-2015 22:20:33
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Confirmed.
Infringement COMMODORE trademark by CBM ltd, UK
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C=Holdings B.V. hereby announces that it has not granted any rights to CBM for making use of the COMMODORE trademark, nor that C=Holdings B.V. has any involvement in the development and marketing of its products. C=Holdings B.V. will vigorously defend its rights in this matter. |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 12-Aug-2015 22:43:17
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Interesting to note who drew the statement up for C=Holdings B.V.
Eugene Van OS.
You might recall Barry speaking of him in 2011.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Aug-2015 4:36:20
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Interesting.It will be good case to see if Commodore Corp. can actually defend the trademark to the extent they claim (again the wordmark and field of registration are not identical and somewhat confusing).
I somehow doubt that they waited for all this time , I rather suspect that they were involved from the beginning but decided to do something about it now.
Again , I don't see any products by them and from what I saw (on the official UK trademark registration site) trademark was opposed much earlier.We will see if this new company is actually smart now  |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Aug-2015 11:31:34
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trademark was opposed much earlier |
There are two parts to this, if you read the link I posted above: https://oami.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/013930276
Trademark opposition filings are new, as in...days ago.
Those entries marked "CTM" refer to:
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Aug-2015 13:17:26
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Thanks for monitoring this for us. My faith has been fully restored in the C= saga.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Aug-2015 13:28:25
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Thanks for monitoring this for us. My faith has been fully restored in the C= saga. |
Indeed.
Just in relation to what to watch, how far they take this, and how soon any further action may be seen (takedowns):
Still listed with the new pics here: http://www.en.amibyte.com/
And, of course, the shop:
https://www.commodore-pet.com/shop/
This "news" btw is actually from last week. I just didn't spot until it appeared on 2 seperate newswires. Source
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 13-Aug-2015 18:03:05
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Trademark has changed slightly once before and I doubt it was for anything other than legal reasons , then site went down for a day or two.
It will be really interesting to see what Commodore corp has produced if it goes that far which I doubt.Personally I'll be glad if they fail miserably to protect trademark after what they did for C64 cases. |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 14-Aug-2015 4:15:53
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blizz1220 wrote: @number6
Trademark has changed slightly once before and I doubt it was for anything other than legal reasons , then site went down for a day or two.
It will be really interesting to see what Commodore corp has produced if it goes that far which I doubt.Personally I'll be glad if they fail miserably to protect trademark after what they did for C64 cases. |
You have to remember that those behind C= Holding are the Super Wealthy and Global Elite(s). These are the guys who can, if it is in their interest to do so (ie they will make money), can generate hundreds of millions of dollars for capitalization. Crushing your business opponents is the norm because you do it to them before they can do it to you.
What we see as silly and petty, it is simply not worth the risk to them to be wrong and ignore something. When you are playing in their world next to their toys, expect to be treated as the real deal. _________________ Dammy |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 14-Aug-2015 7:14:31
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Yes , they seem to prefer to sue companies and get money to making their own products.Still , it doesn't matter how rich you are if you don't have law on your side in a court case (with maybe few exceptions for prime ministers , presidents or oil tycoons).
You can hire best legal mind on the planet to win a case and still loose (in fact that best legal mind would probably warn you that it is not in your best interest to sue).This is more of an issue for new CBM , if they are in fact legitimately went through all legal steps they have little to worry about.If you think about it company that makes glasses might choose one of a 1000s of indicative names and good ones may already be taken hence those that are not used by companies to make glasses become fair game.Otherwise you would run out of names and logos fast. |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 14-Aug-2015 13:38:03
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One has to learn to pick and choose which fights to get into. I for one, would not walk up to the head of a drug cartel standing in his own house and piss on his leg. I know doing so will gain my entry into the Darwin Awards. C= Holdings has some very deep pockets, CBM UK better have the same.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 14-Aug-2015 18:44:20
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I was gonna suggest hired assassins as an option but somehow decided it wasn't proper
It would be first time that trademark was vigorously protected in such a way though |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 13:40:17
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Corrections are slow to come to the myriad of sites covering this story.
Slashdot has some comments though
If anyone wishes to correct/amend statements on the general "news" sites, feel free to use the links contained here:
Nedfield starting with post #73
I think the link from the U.S. Security and Exchange Commission might convince them.
I see also that the lawsuit paperwork link has been deleted by terminills, so I'll repeat that one here:
http://www.crisona.com/iplaw/cases/12-cv-928.pdf
Heh. Forgot to include a little humor. One of the Commodore fans' pages, feeling the ownership saga had gone far enough:
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Legal Notes: The C= logo and name "Commodore" are trademarks of (SOMEONE!!!) and are only used here for reference purposes.
OK, I cry ***UNCLE***!!!! I have changed the copyright notice on the bottom of this page AT LEAST FIVE TIMES, now! Will SOMEONE just BUY the Commodore name, and HOLD ONTO IT for a while?? The last 5 links I had have become broken! Sigh... Well, to WHOMEVER owns the Commodore logo and name, all rights belong to that party, and no infringement is intended... whomever you are!! ;) |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 13:45:56
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the commodorecorp holding the trademark also is very convincing... if you go on their site and want to view the products you get errors
but in a way... fitting |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 13:53:05
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the commodorecorp holding the trademark also is very convincing |
You make it sound like a company when written that way, whereas it's just a website.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 14:30:10
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a professional company basing itself on the old famous name "Commodore" with a disfunctional website? But they can do what they want like all the other not-related companies using old brands |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 20:33:26
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| Neither party appears to be backing down. Looks like if no agreement can be made this is going to court. So is C=Holdings like Amiga Inc. a case of trademark squatters, not producing a single product in several years, just hoping to get paid royalties or is there something to it. Only time will tell.
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 22:58:15
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last news on site from 2013 and almost nothing is working
So I would guess yes |
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Re: Commodore PET Android 5 Smartphone by CBM Ltd. London Posted on 15-Aug-2015 23:37:38
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| It might depend greatly if it's US court or EU court or even UK court.Possible outcome may be slight change in CBM trademark but as one company is selling products while other one isn't (although trademark seems to be properly registered by Commodore Corp but not for smartphones) I don't expect court would just disregard interests of either.
Confusion applies to products , if Commodore corp brings C64 to court and CBM brings smartphone I think blind man could tell the difference.Also , if Commodore Corp made smartphones later than CBM (their trademark could in theory be used for smartphones or not , up to judge to decide) then it won't be good enough.
Both parties are/have taken legal steps (why would anyone register company in UK if their base is Italy?) and why would Commodore corp wait all this time to start acting unless they wanted more money if they won?
As for Asiarim I think they might still be waiting for their chance , one court decision is unlikely to make them back off forever. They might try retrial or case based on new evidence.
Whole thing is idiotic , anyone who buys Commodore or Amiga trademark is not a normal person/company anyway.If they had factories or were hardware manufacturers then it would make sense.
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