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Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 8:44:17
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...I would like to ask if there is any information available about the release date of OS 4 for classic PPC equipped Amigas?

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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21451&forum=33

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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Now that OS 4 is final...



.......Where the sharkPPC is?

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21451&forum=33


I read the entire thread - but unfortunately couldn't find any official statement on when we can expect the release for classic PPC equipped Amigas...

Mod note:Added missing close quote tag!

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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that is because hyperion doesn't know when hardware will be available. or at the very most can't tell since it is not their product. as a result they can only say os4 is ready for shipping(with hardware).

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@Dandy
Does not seem to be any eta. :(
I wonder why hyperion wont release a beta release, as it seems to run already on classic+ppc accelerator for years.

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that is because hyperion doesn't know when hardware will be available


That shouldn't have anything to do with the Cyberstorm version though.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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that is because hyperion doesn't know when hardware will be available. or at the very most can't tell since it is not their product.

The Cyberstorm and Blizzard don't need to become available. Everybody who is ever going to have one has one already, barring Ebay exchanges. Anyway I think it's pretty clear by now why OS4 hasn't been released for the classic systems even without an "official" statement.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
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I wonder why hyperion wont release a beta release, as it seems to run already on classic+ppc accelerator for years.


One of their last excuses for not releasing OS4 to BPPC/CSPPC was that it could make a bad impression without having any new hardware available. People would read that OS4 is released on Slashdot and ask if they can run it on their X86-PC. They would find out that it only runs on obsolete and unavailable AmigaOnes and 8-year-old Phase5 PPC add-on cards.
At least this excuse can be considered as moot after the "release" of OS4 "the final update". Who cares? Release that damn thing in it's current state and explicitly state the requirements and limitations.

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@-Sam-

this is true the cyberstorm and blizzard version is not hampered by releasing hardware but didn't rogue say in a recent thread they were still hammering out the drivers.

found it not rogue but entilzha

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The problem with the classic versions is the support of hardware, mostly custom hardware on the A1200.


in this thread
When os4 for csppc?


btw apologies dandy i misread your question.

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Re: Now that OS 4 is final...
Posted on 10-Jan-2007 15:19:27
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It's a shame that they are leaving us Classic Users in the rain.

My CSPPC is sitting here waiting for that damn OS, but nothing happens.

I think they should hurry up a bit, and to be honest, broadest market for OS4 is the Classic Market. Hardware is available there, and will be even more when OS4 finally comes out. But without Software or a descent OS, why should anyone develop?

Another thing is, many Amiga Users do not want to change their system to a something more PC like thing. Hyperion is missing the point, we dont need fancy new Hardware, we need Hardware that fits into the Classic Cases, eg. replacement Mainbaords. But this will never happen if they hold back the only reason to develop new Hardware, which is OS4.

I am very dissapointed by the way Hyperion Entertainment is treating us users, and the longer they continue with that, the more possible User they will loose

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ohh come on dudes, of course Hyperion won't release OS4 for classics, and make a potential momentum slip away. OS4 needs to be launched for all hw at the same time, to make as much impact as possible.....which by the way makes me wonder why they release final update without hardware???????

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@Hagbard_Celine

you're right, the classic market is important for Hyperion. lol
They just spent years developping an OS (they are not done yet, how dare they call it final) for some old hardware that will probably break within the next 5 years ?

You got classic hardware, good for you. But do you realise that your computer system is 10 years old (or more) and that it should be in a museum or used by only a bunch of retro computing geeks ? Why not turning the page and supporting any effort of building new, mordern hardware ? I know how most of you are enchained to your old miggies, i still own a few amigas myself, but i use them in a nostalgic way, as soon as i turn on my recent machines i realise that's when serious things begin.

Classic Amigas were fantastic machines, please help them to rest in peace.
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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 15:41:17
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Come on, be reallistic. There is absolutely now way that Amiga or the Os will make it back to the top. This machine is for plain fun, and sorry to say that, will always be.

Linux cant go against MS, and they have millions of Users all over the world. It is too late for a revolution.

Hyperion should act now and make the best out of their IMHO miserable situation that they are in atm. If OS4 came back in 1997 together with the CSPPC boards, my opinion would be different, but 2007 is too late for a OS that doesnt even have a proper Browser nor Office App. Dont get me wrong, I love these machines, but they are a hobby, nothing more nothing less. I like spending money on them , and I always will.

But OS4 doesnt even have the smallest neccesararities that a modern OS should have. Even Debian and my CSPPC is able to do more than OS4 can atm.

Maybe you should think about curing ureself, before trying to cure anybody else.

Be realistic, we are geeks, and always will be. No chance of becoming top of the line again. Those days have passed.

P.S. My Classic Hardware will run even in 2011, and then I'll give you quick call and we'll see how the AmigaOnes are doing. I bet they'll be broken by then.


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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 16:47:27
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One of their last excuses for not releasing OS4 to BPPC/CSPPC was that it could make a bad impression without having any new hardware available. People would read that OS4 is released on Slashdot and ask if they can run it on their X86-PC.

Exactly the same excuse for not releasing OS4 final for AmigaONE... but they still did it
So that excuse is no longer vaild in my opinion. Easier to get a a1200+accelerator than a AmigaONE anyways.
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Release that damn thing in it's current state and explicitly state the requirements and limitations.

Exactly.. Just like they did with the pre release.

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Why not turning the page and supporting any effort of building new, mordern hardware ?

How the heck can we do that? By praising the vaporware hardware?
OS4 is already running on classics, so who gets hurt by the release? It was also promised by both AmigaINC and Hyperion, so it would hurt them much more if they broke that promise.
I use my old amiga because there is NO new hardware. It just does not exist and this wont change until there is some hardware available that you can buy in stores. So far it has been years with empty promises, so i have my doubts.

I will use my a1200 for what it does best and i wont stop using it until there is something that takes over those tasks and performs it better.

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Release that damn thing in it's current state and explicitly state the requirements and limitations.

Another thing is that they could at least make SOME money on this from classic users at least until someone actual PPC motherboards are released.

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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 17:32:03
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Not only would they make a little money, but I think more important would be expanding the user base. I think it would help in developing applications for when new hardware would become available.

I think the focus should be in creating a viable market and getting the old applications up to speed.

While I don't see the Amiga taking over the desktop market, I think it at least has a chance to get it's foot in the door and become a viable platform. The nostalgia sales are not going to keep the Amiga alive for an extended period of time. We need to build this OS into something useful and get some renewed interest. One of the first steps is to get the right applications built and get at least a large enough userbase to support sales of software. Getting the classics on board may do this or at least help.

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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 17:33:00
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@all

So, aside from the support issues from a community
that loves all things Amiga and is both mature and
willing to attempt works in progress not to mention
the sheer multiplicity of setups and configurations
as well as the regular indepth discussions of the
merits and foibles of the last major release for the
classics, you all would like to see this admittedly
small crew drop whatever they are doing to ease new
hardware into the pipeline to address this request?

Even without regard to what is likely to happen if
that is done?

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Posted on 10-Jan-2007 18:03:30
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Come on, be reallistic. There is absolutely now way that Amiga or the Os will make it back to the top. This machine is for plain fun, and sorry to say that, will always be.


i am very aware of it
and i do agree.

by "modern" hardware i'm not speaking about a quad-core amiga.
Just some descent low cost hardware to entertain us as geek would be fine. Or even no hardware at all but OSes that could run and live on other platforms. Just anything to get rid of classic hardware (and amiga resellers/ebay crooks/speculators) once for all !



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