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Poll : Which is the biggest Amiga hurdle?
AMOS software - it generates code that violates basic system princples such as multitasking, networking and RTG
Diversification (leave a comment in the thread)
Hollywood software - it generates bloated binaries that in themselves violate the AmigaOS design philosophy
Sloppy ports from other operating systems - so called developers favor quantity over quality
The lack of hardware - even without the burden of AMOS/Hollywood, the platform can't do without new hardware
Something else (leave a comment in the thread)
 
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[POLL] Which is the biggest Amiga hurdle?
Posted on 3-Jan-2021 17:11:12
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As a lot of users frequenting the various Amiga likely know, the operating system and its community have their shortcomings despite its proven longevity. In this special AmigaWorld.net Quick Poll, you are kindly asked to raise your voice and let the world know what the Amiga's biggest current hurdle is.

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Pancakes

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Same for me please!

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Definitely the A3000T. The thing is a beast of a machine, and you'd certainly come a cropper if you didn't manage to jump high enough to clear it.

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@Petah

Lack of a modern webbrowser. EVERYTHING happens on the web these days. Not having an updated browser makes it impossible to use Amiga as the main machine.

Bloat in general is a problem, but it's not specific for Amiga. Phones gets unusable sluggish after a few system updates/years. PC likewise. Sadly also TV-boxes and such appliances where you don't even have the option to shell out a ton of money for the newest and fastest HW. You are simply stuck with a TV-box that gets slower for each bloated update they automatically pump out. Cars (those that you can actually update, like Tesla) also get slower over time. Here you can actuall update the hardware as well though, unlike any other car I know of.

The speed of computer have gotten a million times faster in 30 years, but the user experience stays almost the same.

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@Petah

Quote:
what the Amiga's biggest current hurdle is.

Silly polls that mention AMOS and Hollywood in three options out of six, although their role in the Amiga ecosystem is in fact marginal.

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@Petah

[X] Lack of hardware

The biggest Amiga hurdle ist the lack of hardware because there are no new and powerful Amigas.

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@Petah

Amos code can run system friendly in “Amos Kittens”, more work can be put into it but without interest, from other developers or users, this project is frozen.

Hollywood, I expect the problem is the skill of the programmer, not every language is good for everything. A good developer can do magic in any programing language

Slooppy ports can be problem, but sometime it can’t be helped, AmigaOS is not Linux there is lot stuff missing, it’s not always easy, missing stuff is a lot bigger problem.

There lots of hardware, to buy for classic AmigaOS1.3 and for AmigaOS4.1, hardware is not the problem price is the problem.

Something else: Price, missing stuff, glibc and new gcc, time, income, users, developers, bounties, the building chain, skill.

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@Petah

Lack of pancakes.


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1) Toxic people in the forums like kolla
2) Legal nastiness
3) Half baked software releases

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@Petah

Pancakes

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Hardware for sure - we need the Amiga branding fiasco to come to an end once and for all, one company to take the reigns and get some sort of roadmap together for future hardware/OS4 working together.

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Lack of almost everything, but at the top of the list: lack of Amiga software developers.

And pancakes, of course.

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Quote:

Rob wrote:
@Petah

Definitely the A3000T. The thing is a beast of a machine, and you'd certainly come a cropper if you didn't manage to jump high enough to clear it.


This is by far the best answer. I never had the pleasure to see one in the flesh but boy did I lust about the A3000T alot.

Serious answer: a lack of memory protection in the OS. It's at the core of why it has no decent sized developer community, nor really should such a machine be used on the modern internet for anything even slightly non trivial, like running a modern browser.


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@Petah

It’s legacy. The things that people point to and say 'that makes it an Amiga' are very often the very things that hold it back. It’s similar to the situation Apple found themselves in with OS8/9, only without His Grand High Steveness to ride in and rescue things with NeXTStep and a reality distortion field the size of Jupiter.

If I had unlimited resources and my job was to reboot the Amiga, I’d be doing much the same as Jobs did with OS X: change everything underneath, just make it look familiar and sandbox anything people can’t live without until they can.

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@Petah

Its user base is its own worst enemy.
Too many clueless morons who think they have a clue but don't.

Like those who ask stupid questions like if AMOS and/or Hollywood software is holding back the Amiga and those that think people would be capable of contributing anything other than ports. Many people can't and instead just contribute what they can. The suggestion that those who contribute what they can are holding things back, in a poll that is nothing but a waste of time and a passive aggressive whine is close to the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

The fact this poll exists, and the people and ideas behind it is a fantastic demonstration of the obstacles it faces.
And that's without even thinking about the overpriced and slow hardware or the fact the OSes themselves are more retro everyday.

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Quote:

fishy_fis wrote:
@Petah

Its user base is its own worst enemy.
Too many clueless morons who think they have a clue but don't.


Friend fishy_fis,
I totally concur!

Who were the users of this great Amiga of ours?
As with all revolutionary things, it was embraced by the extreme fringes:
the forward thinkers, and the mouth-foaming halfwits.

When the Amiga declined, the forward thinkers left.
They knew there was nothing left to see, they moved on to other things.
That doesn't mean they didn't visit the tomb of their beloved, from time to time.

The halfwits stayed.
Some danced around the grave, some robbed it,
some more malignant than others sold garbage to that small crowd,
and when the crowd was about to leave they would yell "Wait!! I think I saw something moving!",
and the bunch of docile halfwits would promptly come back.

Now, the forward thinkers, the smart guys, the ones who might have good ideas, can't even get to the gravesite anymore.
It's unattractive, with that bunch of morons yelling and arguing around it,
with the pickpockets lurking in the background.
They walk away before even reaching it.

And so, here we are,
left with AmigaOS 4.1.2.5.Final.SingleThread,
and Sabrina Sex Slave.


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The biggest Amiga hurdle is not porting AmigaOS over to Arm processors so you can run it on a Raspberry Pi 400. It would be the perfect option.

£93 gets you a very well constructed and powerful computer that can play 1080p video in a up to date web browser, output in 4K, is as versatile as a desktop PC as it is as a replacement for your classic games collection for all retro systems up to and including the Sega Dreamcast and which occupies the exact position today in the market that the Amiga used to hold back in the day, which was as an inexpensive hobby machine that could be given to kids so they learn how to code and produce games and bring more users on board.

Even developing the excellent PiAmiga further on this great little machine would be a good way forward for the Amiga scene as a whole to bring more people on board.

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Lack of a modern webbrowser. EVERYTHING happens on the web these days. Not having an updated browser makes it impossible to use Amiga as the main machine.


+1

I would like to add: "updated and easily upgradeable" web browser.

Browser updates happens every few months, so... it's an hard task for Amigans.

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Even with a modernized browser the fun is limited due to lack of raw cpu power (Wayfarer on MorphOS). Many sites are that blown and stuffed with scripts, it's really a pain. Sites that ran fine a few years ago but no gignificant bettering in their UI. In many cases even the other way around: clear und functional sites became castrated and got some dynamic design that is useless but consumes cpu power en masse. Gosh, how much energy (CO2) could get saved if websites were optimized (cpu power to decode, cpu power for servers).


Well, regarding the poll: Pancakes

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