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May I ask, what OS are you using at the momet, if not Amiga anymore?

Sure you can ask.

At this moment it's Windows XP, home is Vista and RC 7 and than Tiger.

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@pavlor

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In most tasks, G4/1.5 GHz will be three times faster than SAM. Nice but not that impressive...

Mac Mini will crush Sam440 in anything that uses Altivec like video decoding/encoding. For emulators L2 cache is really needed or they'll suffer bad performance.

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And IIRC, the DVI port on the Mac Mini is limited to HDMI 1.1, which means you can never reach resolutions higher than 1920x1080@32 bit over digital due the limited bandwidth (165 Mhz) while this problem doesn't exist on newer PCI cards.

Sure, but 1920x1080@32bits will be enough for me ATM, specially if we take into account that Sam440 cpu will have hard time moving pixels and pushing triangles at that resolution. Since Mac Mini has real AGP it can move textures faster to the gfx card ram.

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When the pager kicks in, I bet you'll notice the difference between a slower HD interface and a faster one.

You can have 1GB of memory very easily on a Mac Mini without problems (unlike Sam440). AmigaOS4 limit is around 1.8GB of memory so with a Pegasos2 you won't care much about pager stuff.

If that is your main concern you can put your Mac Mini on a MicroATX case with a fast 3.5" HD. You could also try firewire

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And how a no more produced board (in limited quantity in respect to Apple hw) can help to increase the amiga user base (be it MOS or OS4.1) ?

Pegasos2 is an example of a board built more than 5 years ago. If a board built for a limited market had better price/features than the ones built now then we have a problem. BTW, if we count overclocking a Peg2 can easily reach 1250Mhz.

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@Crub

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You can have 1GB of memory very easily on a Mac Mini without problems (unlike Sam440)

There are no hardware problems on Sam-flex at all which prevent to use 1 Gb ram, it works flawless with Linux.
If you can prove me wrong about it (Sam-flex doesn't work with 1 Gb and Linux), please enlight me.

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If that is your main concern you can put your Mac Mini on a MicroATX case with a fast 3.5" HD. You could also try firewire

IMO, nor a PATA or a FW HD can reach the speed of a modern SATA HD.
And btw, with all your hw modifications (use that, but the mobo here, change the HD...) you have already reached an higher price point.

The Mac Mini is an excellent PPC hardware, but it's showing all it's limitations every days.

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Still,iI'd love if either MorphOS or Amiga OS4.x would be released for the Mac (Mini) at a reasonable price($100 ).And I'd buy the darned MorphOS license for my efika if it were $100 instead of more like $250 .Until thenI,and a couple hundred million other will use Windows or Mac mostly because they were bundled with machine and do mostly what we want.
There are other interesting OS out there,like the Breadbox Ensemble,successor to the old Geoworks Ensemble GEOS for the PC.
And the reason they aren't more common is that neither are they bundled with new hardware or available at a reasonable fee for users.
OS developers are delusional if they think the general computing public will pay $150 -250 (US dollars) for the OS alone when anyone can go into a big box retailer and buy a complete system with Windows for $300 .
Especially given the many free linux distros .

Talking about that sort of theing, I worked out if I shopped around I could buy the Family Box set of Leopard, iLife and iWorks for less than one registration of MorphOS for my new Efika. Now I like MorphOS, but...

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What is wrong about speed...always faster, faster... AND WHAT?

There is very particular level of speed when, scrolling of screen is not like a building a puzzle... when the particular letters in word shows instantly...

Who cares about... 667 or 733 Mhz? What kind of software will got kicked because of change in clocks? Pac Man?

There is like 1% of population who need "super computer" for WORK.

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@kreciu

I would agree was it not for one thing. Most people who are left are enthusiasts. Not normal users. We want every little hertz that can be squeezed from the hardware.

It's not a rational thing, it's mostly emotional, especially for Amiga NG users as it's not a vintage computer experience, it's about staying current and relevant.

I realise, as do most Amigans I think, that OS4 is a hobbiest OS, but still we demand a lot.

Still with the dissapointment that 800mhz model is phased out. We are gratefull thatACube is taking care for us.

Re Old Blue vs. Red wars, man -- bygones??

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Mac Mini will crush Sam440 in anything that uses Altivec like video decoding/encoding. For emulators L2 cache is really needed or they'll suffer bad performance.

On video decode, AMD/ATI Radeon HD 24x0/34x0 includes AMD's UVD. On video encode you have 40 stream processors.

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@Hammer

Has anyone managed to use ANY of the cool functions in the Radeon HD 24xx/34xx series outside Windows?

Remember that it doesn't matter diddly-squat what Windows users can do, we're talking Amiga here.

Edit: And using closed source binary drivers wouldn't excactly help us either

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

Wow, I sure missed a big flame war. Why can't people be happy to have new hardware that is faster that what was available (given 800MHz is out of stock) ?

Sure it would be great to have something even faster, and I'm sure that ACube will deliver something as soon as they can. But it's not as if OS4 is unusable with current CPU speeds (actually it feels pretty nice). If we are going to have expectations from the Windows world, then even with a 1.5GHz CPU there are STILL going to be tons of complaints about 2.5GHz or multi-core being needed for something or other (e.g. fast JavaScript performance for big Google apps, or decoding high bit-rate HD videos, or playing Doom3, compiling fast, or raytracing faster, or whatever the latest whizz-bang craze from Windows world that became possible with the latest Intel x86 CPUs).

Whatever PPC hardware we have, we are always going to be playing catch-up, so really I think we just have to learn to live with it. Enjoy AmigaOS (h/w & s/w) for what it is good at, rather than getting upset at what it can't do yet. (And please don't suggest switching to x86, there are one or two good practical reasons why we can't, the most important being that Hyperion says NO.)

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@ChrisH

and the best reason for not spamming these boards with pro-x86 propaganda is at the current time: hyperion are in charge of OS4 and they have stopped reading here due to the immense amount of rudeness from the x86 camp.

Both AMCC, Freescale and IBM have some interesting solutions that would work well in a desktop. So all hope is NOT lost.

And let's all agree that if the 800MHz version is out of stock then a 733MHz version is NOT a downgrade. It's an UPgrade. For the following example I have used vesalis prices, due to laziness:

You can get (including OS4.1, again too lazy)
0 boards at 800MHz for infinite EUR
1 boards at 667 for 555 EUR
1 boards at 733 for 610 EUR

so that's infinity divided by (zero times 800) equals roughly infinity EUR per MHz.
Compared to 555/(1*667) = 0.83 EUR per MHz
610/(1*733) = 0.83MHz as well.

My only gripe with that is that they should charge more per MHz as the performance goes up. At this rate they will sell no 667MHz boards and end up exhausting the 733MHz stock as well...

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Both AMCC, Freescale and IBM have some interesting solutions that would work well in a desktop. So all hope is NOT lost.

I'll bite, what dekstop PPC CPUs are they current in development with? And I do not mean bolting on new stuff to old cores as development.

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@damocles

This one seems promising:
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P4080

Fine,so let's leave the price of the 733 board alone and cut the 667 by another 100 euros!

I want ACube/Hyperion to continue since they are the ONLY ones producing an actual Amiga-like product;therefore they must make a profit,just please don't suggest either Sam or OS4 be priced any higher,unless you want to kill sales.

And if one must buy OS4 when buying Sam then all sellers should just price it as bundled;listing the two items seperately but requiring purchase of both is sales trick worthy of car salesmen!

@damocles

so ANY chip release in the future from ANY company that uses a core already on the market is ruled out as a desktop cpu now?

I don't think Intel/AMD are gonna agree with you on that one.

@jahc

The QorIQ is extremely promising. Of course, having 8 G4 cores still qualifies as reusing old technology to damocles, so he will argue against it on religious reasons. Or something.

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QorIQ is extremely promising. Of course, having 8 G4 cores

Sorry to nitpick, but isn't G4 == e600 ? QorIQ uses e500(mc) cores. Is e500 G2 or G3 ? (But still nice with 8 cores and 1.5 GHz manufactured in 45nm process.) Maybe 8641D would be better option than QorIQ. (Amiga software don't need such CPU speeds but Amiga making comeback with 8 cores when wintel people has max 4-6 cores would shock the world. One can always dream.

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@Tompelli

Sorry. Just noticed it myself.

However, the only real difference between E500 and E600 is Altivec. And I would rather have 8 processors without altivec than 2 with, given same clock rate.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

I have a quote from a developer here about this:
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The E600 core family of processors are no longer being developed.

True?

#6

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@number6

how would I know?

Possibly, since they've gone with the E500 QorIQ.
BUT. Freescale releases a limited number of different chips each year. Last release with the E600 was the 8610 (which is a bloody brilliant chip for a mini-itx or laptop system. Onchip graphics, Altivec AND PCIe. Come on).

It could very well be that they've decided no more E600 chips for now, making the E600 go the way of the P4, with the E500 being upped in frequency and receiving the peripherals previously used on the E600 (which makes essentially the QorIQ the same sort of idea that the Pentium M was, only multi core). It made sense for Intel to backtrack to a family of lower power consumption, why not let Freescale do the same?

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This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.