I started thinking about the various trademark names that don't mean anything anymore because of the many hands/owners that the name has been through... Hamilton, Elgin, Singer, Commodore... yes it is my opinion that the name and trademark of Commodore is meaningless. I still have fond memories of my C64 and Commodore-Amiga, but I don't care whether something, or anything, has the Commodore name or logo. At this point in the Amiga game, I don't care whether an X1000, SAM4x0, or OS has the "Amiga" name and logo. I know Hyperion put up a long and arduous battle for the naming rights, but it was all in vain. At this point, I think most OS4.x customers just want a good product, not a name or logo.

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@thread

Do you think it is possible to run AROS natively on a OEM TabletPC or iPad-like device?

While AROS X86 is very nice for a development system or AmigaOS4/MOS alternative, I guess real future for AROS is mobile devices ?

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@SinanG

Yes, it's possible and I think some people have done it already(AROS-exec being down I cannot confirm this).

And once the ARM native port is complete, you'll be able to run it from numerous mobile devices, including smartphones.

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There's no reason to run any AmigaOIDs on tablets. AmigaOS is not tablet OS, its UI elements and IO are mouse based.

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@opi

Yes... you could use a stylus for help, but it is far from ideal.

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You can't do mulittouch with stylus. Anyway, there's no point of discussing this, AmigaOIDs are not tablet OSes, the end.

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AmigaOIDs are not tablet OSes, the end.

Not now... maybe in future.

ONLY AMIGA........MAKES IT POSSIBLE, ONLY AMIGAAAAAAAAA

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Not now... maybe in future.

Truism. Never know what a company will decide in adding in support when creating a AROS inspired OS. I would say adding touch support to the UI design from the very beginning would be a smart move.

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AROS inspired OS

I hope you don´t mean still not avaiable product of your master...

@SinanG

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Do you think it is possible to run AROS natively on a OEM TabletPC or iPad-like device? While AROS X86 is very nice for a development system or AmigaOS4/MOS alternative, I guess real future for AROS is mobile devices ?

An ARM port of AROS is already ongoing and of course it will be possible to run it on ARM-based devices such as tablet and smartphones, although the first obvious target will be cheap netbooks and nettops. It's no mystere that Genesi helped funding development of AROS on their latest ARM-based systems. Continue reading, please...

@Opi

...however Opi's objection about the GUI are right. GUIs, however, are programmable objects like any other part of the operating environment, so it won't take a geologic age to have someone adapting the GUI of AROS to touch screens. There's also already a video showing how AROS already performs well on a touch-screen equipped computer, with just some little tweaking of control settings.

Real issues for smartphones and tablets are the phone parts of these instruments. AROS would be supposed not to crash during a call, and its multitasking should be improved to understand that a phone ring is effectively a IRQ for anything else running on the same device, being it a new, old or emulated application.

Then, in the end, there is the APP issue. Why should people limit the use of their tablets to AROS applications, when Android is so cool, so easy and so good to use already? Not to count that people using Android can easily find everything they need on the marketplace, and a similar mechanism should be introduced for AROS too. But people like Pascal are already working on something like it.

So why closing all the doors already?

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There's no reason to run any AmigaOIDs on tablets.AmigaOS is not tablet OS, its UI elements and IO are mouse based

So was not LINUX/UNIX and almost all tablet/Smartphone OS are "Linuxoid" OSes (Android, QNX on RIM playbook, WebOS, iOS?, meego, limo)

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I have seen several chinese iPhone and iPad clones... They look excellent but work TERRIBLE. They are real joke. Can`t believe they actually making them. I believe new Amiga will be one of those Chinese models...

But - contact address of those iSomething... seems to be Hong Kong and USA...!?

We will see how it will be...

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But - contact address of those iSomething... seems to be Hong Kong and USA...!?

Yes, Hong Kong and the Idaho office.

http://www.panthermarketing.com/SD_web_new/pressroom.shtml

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So was not LINUX/UNIX

Show me developers and I'll agree with you.

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@Nimrod7
Actually I believe a single member of this community is worth 100 of another when it comes to being adamant (in forums) about stuff

When a news comes out, it will be posted here (or other Amiga forums) too, and if what's proposed there it's full of BS, it will be our duty to go there and straighten out a thing or two.
We can simply inform them that Amiga at some point in its evolution, was first half abbandoned by Commodore and started evolving more on EXPANSION CARDS than else and that even today AmigaOS running on custom HW is an on-going development, new custom HW is made and the OS is still commercially available and developed (Mos users can inform them of Mos Amiga origin and importance of course).
Then people might not care, but if they must get an overpriced x86 box, we have people here that will gladly teach them how to build one with stuff they already have lying around somewhere, and that will cost them "0" including a nice AmigaOS clone, in the form of the venerable Aros.

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I hope you don´t mean still not avaiable product of your master...

I'm not following your incomplete sentence. Could you please complete it so I can respond properly?

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@Damocles

Baffled face - it's a complete sentence; he hopes that "Aros-inspired OS" wasn't meant to be a reference to Commodore USA's still-not-available product (presumably Workbench 5, since AFAIK that's all CUSA has proposed in OS space... but an Aros-inspired OS on Amiga-branded hardware is reported to be untenable).

@DAX

It's not so much about what the word "Amiga" will mean to the casual observer or non-Amigan; it's about what the word "Amiga" means for me. Connotations of a happy childhood full of Speedball 2, Workbench, SEUCK, Easy Amos, and Deluxe Paint 2 and 3 are being diluted.

Imagine you knew a girl called Enid, who broke your heart. Then you meet and fall in love with another girl called Enid, who makes you very happy. Old associations would be replaced. "Enid" would stop being a sound that made your skin crawl and become one that gave you a warm glow.

Well, the unqualified word "Amiga" is going in the other direction for me

Not as far as making my skin crawl, but suffice to say, as I meet more and more girls called Enid, the name has stopped seeming special.

At least A-Cube, Sam, even Hyperion are still words that have a bit of a happy vibe to someone who, rightly or wrongly, is rooting for Amiga OS 4.

It's not a case of me hating Linux PCs or anything (I actually love 'em) - but I already have a Linux brand I care about (Crunchbang) so I've nothing to gain from Amiga being in that space - especially if it's going to be Gnome (which I hate).

What we have at the minute is a case of butter spread over too much bread, to the point where it no longer has a distinct buttery taste.

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