@ Elwood

That's incorrect. Amiga executives did negotiate and agreed on the specs for AmigaOS4 with its partners and did indeed do work on future AmigaOS technology. Note that KMOS did acquire *all* the rights previously owned by Amiga Inc with regard to AmigaOS technology (future, current and past), thus I believe the failure to understand this is an important reason why certain people misunderstand AmigaWorld's interview with Garry Hare with regard to AmigaOS.

I'll show it at Amiga Alpe Adria

(Also "Word Me Up" will be there :)

@jthomas

Noooooooooo...... another thing i'll miss.

Have a good time at AAA Thomas.

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@ ikir

Sad you'll not be there :(

I'll take as much pics and clips possible for AmigaShowArchive :)

Having betatested Invasion I must admit it's VERY addictive :) I usually haven't very much time for games, but with this one was very difficult to stop doing "just another round"...

@all

The Amiga hardware and OS still sport the name "amiga" and as such Amiga Inc. is paid royalties for that dubious benefit so yes, I am talking about the AmigaOne and AOS4.
Hence my question is valid.

However, although I doubt we will see DE integrated into AOS4, I suspect we WILL see an Amiga DE version to run on AOS4 when DE is updated to run on Intent2.
In hindsight, after persuing the Intent whitepaper, most of that waffle fleecy went on about with AG2 is probably just the new and extended featureset of Intent2 itself under the AmigaAnywhere label.
Intent2 is supposed to support PPC btw.

I think it may well be worthwhile to sipmly get a license to integrate Intent2 into OS4, and in so doing open up the development posibilities of intent without the restriction of being held to AA/DE only.

With all the features that Intent2 has to offer, especially in its support in the area of web browsers, it could be an invalueable addition.There is no need to re-invent the wheel for such things as http, java and so on.

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However, although I doubt we will see DE integrated into AOS4, I suspect we WILL see an Amiga DE version to run on AOS4 when DE is updated to run on Intent2.

I have not seen any indication this will happen. I am talking regarding the Intent2 license. It's just too quiet. But they must have some money since they sold the OS to KMOS.

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@ IonMane

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AG2 is probably just the new and extended featureset of Intent2 itself under the AmigaAnywhere label.

According to what Fleecy told me a long time ago, what you state is incorrect. AG2 components relate to next generation AmigaOS components. However similarly as with the AmigaDE his vision was to see AmigaOS turn into a multi-platform solution in the *long* run. This vision was also greatly inspired by previous ideas and by experiences gained with AmigaDE / AA / Intent development.

So AFAIK KMOS has the rights to Amiga Inc's prior AmigaOS relating AG2 efforts, but not with regard to Amiga Inc's AmigaAnywhere / AmigaDE efforts. So they would need to acquire a license for that.

No thanks. I have a Palm.

Dudes, the amount of effort required to do the port of AmigaDE to OS4 is probably very very little and its Tao's job anyway, and they've already done heaps of ports so its a no brainer. In fact I would be surprised if it hasn't been done already.

Remember guys, we were hearing from Amiga Inc's Fleecy on a weekly basis even after the sale of the OS to KMOS. So why would they have bothered to continue communicating the refinements to the AmigaOS as it relates to AmigaAnywhere if they didn't have both plans and the rights to influence the Amiga platforms future. They only shut up when Garry told them to shut the hell up in case they influence the court case in some way. It doesn't mean that they stopped development at all. If it wasn't for freakin Genesi we might still be hearing something. And any news is better than nothing.

Have Amiga Inc staff started working for other companies or something? If these people are still on the payroll(even if they're not getting paid) I'm sure that they're not just sitting on their hands(even if it turns out that they are working from home). These guys were really really keen to reinvent Amiga, it is probably killing them to shut up. Fleecy and McEwan would be great evangelists for the platform, and I dare say that Amiga Inc still have more influence on its future than they are given credit.

Why would they have stopped simply because we haven't heard from them in a while? A company doesn't have to tell you all their plans BEFORE a platform is even ready for their product to be used(OS4). The fact that we're curious means that it doesn't matter if it comes out this year, or next year, when it comes out there is sure to be some take up, even if its purely for the immense cross platfrom support that intent offers.

I seriously doubt that Amiga Inc would relinquish the ability to leverage the Amiga platform for their products for ANY money. I think that KMOS may be contractually obliged to include Amiga Inc's products and there is no harm in that. Afterall, Amiga Inc is going to get a cut on each OS4 sale anyway. Amiga Inc, while screwing up with Genesi, are still business people, and are going to make sure they have skin in the game regardless, even if its as a standards body(they'll just make AmigaDE the standard).

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@BigBentheAussie

I admire that you still have faith in Amiga Inc. I really do. But not for me. They screwed one too many. If they wanna stick to DE and go on with their rampage tour so be it. But I had it with them. They do more harm then good.

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Getting intent (and it's JAVA engine) to run on AOS4 would be worthwhile also without AmigaDE stuff. (that was my point, it could pave the way for AA stuff as a side effect)

Perhaps it would make sense to talk directly to TAO and figure by ourselves what needs to be done. IIRC they say it takes something like 2 weeks to 2 moths to port intent to a new platform. Sounds like a piece of cake when comparing porting of JAVA or Mozilla.

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@Ionmane
"I think it may well be worthwhile to sipmly get a license to integrate Intent2 into OS4, and in so doing open up the development posibilities of intent without the restriction of being held to AA/DE only."

Exactly. And co-operation of KMOS+TAO+AmigaInc+AmigaDE fans and AmigaOS fans would not hurt....

"With all the features that Intent2 has to offer, especially in its support in the area of web browsers, it could be an invalueable addition.There is no need to re-invent the wheel for such things as http, java and so on."

May I add Assymmetric Heterogenous MultiProcessing.

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@KimmoK

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Getting intent (and it's JAVA engine) to run on AOS4 would be worthwhile also without AmigaDE stuff. (that was my point, it could pave the way for AA stuff as a side effect)

I agree. But my point also was that Amiga Inc. should not be the one to have to take care of that. It makes as much sence as having Mehdi Ali come in and take over Bill McEwen's job.

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@Coder Kim and BBTA

I agree with you all on various points.As far as the intent part of DE goes, not really sure who needs to get what license, pretty sure no-one really does, but if AOS4 does get a liicense for intent(if it does not already), you can place a reasonabley safe bet that you will see AA/DE for AOS4.

Intent is a great product, far better than the alternatives in my opinion, and by utilizing it you could both advance the OS tremendously whilst saving time and manpower for other things so its a double whammy.

As for AG2....we shall see what happens on that front.

Genesi really was the fly in the ointment, and I hope that case gets resolved real soon so KMOS can start talking to us and clear up all these issues that need resolution.

I am pretty much with coder as far as the integrity of Amiga Inc. is concerned.If KMOS DOES have to pony up for those coupons for Amiga Inc. that will be the last straw for my camel, and I will refuse to consider any product service or whatever and will actively warn people away from them.

We really need KMOS to start talking again, they have said they have no plans beyond AOS4 I am sure, but nevertheless I would really like to know what thier roadmap for the future is as it is incredibly important for the future of the OS.

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I just wanted to write a quick note to show that I?m not ignoring this thread. Though, I must say I was somewhat surprised to see it here in the first place. Thank you for the kind words and support.

I hope people will forgive me if I avoid commenting much further: a veritable minefield of questions here. All I will say is that these Zeoneo games use AmigaDE features and, as is required, are properly licensed to do so.

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I agree with you in many cases. I liked Jim Collas most. The time he was the "boss" of Amiga we could read news on Amiga development in indipendent news-sites and magazines.
Some time ago I talked to an ex-Amiga-employee and he told me that Jim Collas probably was fired, because he tried to push too much the Amiga brand with new products. Maybe they didn't want Amiga to ressurect.
Now the name "Amiga" is being abused. IMO the company that either produces Amiga HW or the OS or both should be called "Amiga". It would have been better if Jim Collas bought the company in 1999.
I like AmigaOne and OS4.0 very much and will definitely buy it. But I would prefer buying it from a company called Amiga Inc.

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Brilliant work! Keep it comin' dude! I can't wait to see what you'll come up with next!

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I think Eyetech and Hyperion can be called Amiga Inc. if you ask me.

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@mattk

I think I can speak for pretty much the entire community when I say" you are most welcome"It is well deserved for such quality products as you have been producing.

Most of the talk so far arises directly from how Amiga Inc. handled the KMOS sale, coupled with the fleecy Q&A and what is looking like a renegged agreement by Amiga Inc. and the members of the Amiga Club. I.E. coupons.

The utter silence and absence of a roadmap beyond OS4, just compounds things leading to many of us questioning the place AA/DE has with AOS4 and the amigaone entirely.

It would be interesting to know just what AA/DE offers over and above the intent foundation it is based on, especially with the imminent release of Intent2.It seems to me not a great deal.
I don't expect you to answer that question, I would not want you to get embroiled in something that should come from Amiga Inc anyway.
I am sure many of us feel like Amiga Inc. has given us a raw deal in the end, and simply abandoned us, and our platform to the wilds.I look forward t seeing your products on the AmigaOne in the future :)

@all
I have had several discussions in other threads about the name and whatnot, and despite DaveP's best efforts he has yet to explain why we could not simply drop the "Amiga" name from our platform.
Eyetech owns the "AmigaOne" trademark, Amiga Inc. no longer owns the OS, so I see no reason why we could not simply cut Amiga Inc. loose, like they have seemed to do with us, change the name of our platform, and cut them out of the pie entirely.

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@ IonMane

Ever since the Amiga Corp days "Amiga" has always been a brand- and company (or company subdivision) name with regard to computer products. And ever since the days Amiga Corp produced Amiga branded games and joysticks for the Atari 2600 games system during the 1982/83 period this has never changed.

Worldwide recognized brandnames are very valuable and Amiga (Amiga Inc), Atari (former infogrames) and Commodore (Tulip) are such examples. With good well-known brandnames commercial products have a much better chance of success. For instance the Amiga brandname kickstarted AmigaDE software development initially and I believe the brand will (and already does) help kickstart AmigaOS4 software development as well, especially when the project becomes ready for the mass market.

Amiga Inc was interested in doing something revolutionary with regard to software development (AmigaDE), instead of creating just a somewhat overdue evolutionary product like AmigaOS4, but sadly hasn't been able to show much success yet. Of course there are many different reasons for this, including a lack of resources compared to the big boys.

However IMO we should never forget that AmigaOS4 development would probably never have gotten to this point (or even started) if the Amiga brand and assets wouldn't have been bought from Gateway by Animo and they wouldn't have made deals with 3rd parties for its development.

Also most companies including Amiga Inc have investors they simply can't neglect and thus occuring events are often not as simple as some people (often competitors) want you to believe. Although there are many things to be unhappy about with regard to the past (with regard to most Amiga companies and competitors) I don't think the community should drown itself for this. The fact that we have gotten to this point already is quite amazing considering the well established monopolies and limited available resources! Against all odds things are shaping up pretty well for the Amiga community!