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The developers certainly deserve all the praise, but I don't have enough facts to say that Hyperion as a whole deserves the same credit.

I'm sorry, but yes, they do. If it hadn't been for Hyperion, the whole project would have NEVER EVER come to be. Just look at the number of companies that tried their hands at "OS 4" since the early ninties. If it wheren't for Hyperion and the relentless works of Ben and not Evert, and the fact that they carry ALL the financial risk of this enterprise.

The do deserve all the credit they can get, as much as the developers do. They're the mortar in the wall, without it, the wall wouldn't hold long.

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It's amazing to me that suddenly everbody's an expert regarding the contract between Amiga, Inc and Hyperion and the contracts between Hyperion and the developers that have contributed to AmigaOS 4.0.

Not to mention that everybody seems to be able to look through walls, since nothing of these contracts have ever been made public.

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Looks like Amiga User may again be screwed.

Sorry, but that's an eight-letter word. Why would Amiga users get screwed? AmigaOS 4.0 is available as a prerelease and will be available as a final release, any dispute between Amiga and Hyperion is not going to affect that. So can you mayhaps explain this little verbal gem of yours?

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@EntilZha

thanks for your clarification, i'm now trying to just sit back and wait for the release at the end of the year,that's if there is new hw for os4 to run on, thanks guys for all the hard work.

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If we get to the end of the year and again there's no hardware, would you consider an update #5?

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Well done and thank you Hyperion.

This is how we should expect companies to handle disputes, leave it to the law firms to sort out and get on with business.

My hope is that things get settled to the mutual satisfaction of both companies, or at least so that both can live with the results.

The critical bit is that whatever the dispute is actually about the development and launch goes forward.

It is franklly a relief that both parties are keeping the legal stuff out of the community.

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Is there going to be a update5 so the release candidate can be fully checked by many
users before releasing it fully?

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It's amazing to me that suddenly everbody's an expert regarding the contract between Amiga, Inc and Hyperion and the contracts between Hyperion and the developers that have contributed to AmigaOS 4.0.

Sorry, I'm no expert at all.

But this is quite important. Rogue tells us OS4 is safe. That's fine by me.

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Anything that puts OS4 in the hands of Hyperion is fine by me - they have proven that they want to do what I want to see done, unlike the quirky plans all the other owners and decision-makers have had in the past.

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Actually in my more optimistic moments I dont see it as necessarily a bad thing that the lawyers are involved, or even that they have a disagreement. People read things differently (as is proven here on AW all the time) it could be a simple (or not so simple) case of AInc saying we think this means this and we want it done, and Hyperion saying no it means this and we'll do it this way. Rather than get into a bitch fight about it, they pass it off to the lawyers to decide whats right and then go that route, hence no argument between the actual parties involved (just the lawyers and they deserve all the scars they get ), at the end of the day its a way of resolving disputes (hopefully amicably).

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For the sake of goodness, can you *please* *finally* stop making assumptions? Why do you think that Hyperion hasn't got development completely in its hand when it says in their official statement that there is no issue with Development? I just don't get it, really. Why DO you have to read things into statements that are SIMPLE NOT THERE?

Look, I'm not an Eyetech basher, and if that's what you think, then don't. I'm not against Eyetech or Amiga and I really do hope this gets resolved. But you said yourself (as did Joerg) that Hyperion do not own your source code. I don't see why you can't understand that this would not sit well with some people.

Let's use this example senario as a possible thing that could happen: What if you had a fallout with Hyperion in six months or a year from now? What would stop you from deciding that you didn't want Hyperion to use ExecSG in OS4 anymore, and pull your code from them? They could no longer sell OS4, right? Do you not understand how the thought of this can be worrisome for your projected user base? And it's not like this is a wild example that could never exist. It already happed with the similiar situation of MorphOS where part of the coders took their code and broke up the OS.

I'm sorry, but until Hyperion or Amiga either one can say "we own the sources 100%", I won't be buying anything. $1000 is alot of money to lay down for a motherboard and OS to risk not being able to use it if something like that were to happen.

@Evert/Rogue/Entilzha

Thanks for the clarifications.

@Samwel

I don't know where your info about powerpc.library came from, but I would be surprised if lack of source code stopped it being present in OS4final. There are various things in the pre-releases that Hyperion did not have source code for (OS3.5/3.9 components that belonged to H&P), and the binaries were still present. WarpUP support is pretty important for the classics and the Update4 powerpc.library is (as far as I can tell - I don't have much to test it with) stable and compatible, so I suspect it will be included as-is.

I'm sure Bill McEwen said they had tried to invoke to buyback but Hyperion hadn't accepted the offer - this is different from the quote you gave. I will need to check the original Q&A on this point.

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What if you had a fallout with Hyperion in six months or a year from now? What would stop you from deciding that you didn't want Hyperion to use ExecSG in OS4 anymore, and pull your code from them? They could no longer sell OS4, right?

I'd hazard a guess that the license is written in such a way that the Friedens couldn't just pull the rug out from underneath Hyperion like that - they'd be contractually obliged to let Hyperion use the code for the software it's licensed for IYSWIM. That's just a guess, mind.

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What would stop you from deciding that you didn't want Hyperion to use ExecSG in OS4 anymore, and pull your code from them? They could no longer sell OS4, right? Do you not understand how the thought of this can be worrisome for your projected user base?

i think rogue has already addressed this as they(hyperion) have a contract to use ExecSG. when bound by a contract they cannot just pull the program out of os4. the worst thing that could happen is for them not to sign a new contract for4.1,4.2 etc but os4 is safe.

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If you spent the $1k on MoBo and O/s and, for whatever reason, The Friedens pulled there code then I find it kinda hard to picture the Friedens coming round all our houses and destroying our Os4 disks !!

In other words... Whatever happens, it'll still work.

Just the same as Os classic only ever ( as far as Amiga developed) got as far as 3.1. It still works to this day !!

What we, Joe Punter need is Os4 to be complete enough so that third party devs can plug in any needed improvements should the worst happen.

Just my take on things.

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think rogue has already addressed this as they(hyperion) have a contract to use ExecSG. when bound by a contract they cannot just pull the program out of os4. the worst thing that could happen is for them not to sign a new contract for4.1,4.2 etc but os4 is safe.

That sounds pretty dead end to me. At least it could be in that senario.

BTW, I guess Amiga thought they had a contract too.

@Hyperion

Even though no contract has been made public we can draw a conclusion from what *Amiga Inc* originally published as the spec for OS4 being was what Hyperion was contracted to complete. Therefore I imagine that because parts of that work have gone above and beyond what Amiga Inc contracted you to do then you have written/re-written parts beyond that original contract (e.g. ExecSG? New memory system? etc?). If you and your brother have written an "extra" in your own time then you certainly do own it, but how you get compensated for that is another matter...

Certainly if that is not the case legally then its clear that you have done a better job than anyone originally thought (ie a straight PPC port of 3.9 with a few updates).

Regardless - there is certainly alot to thank you all for, and I hope Amiga Inc can get behind you and stop wasting everyones time and money - ultimately it only makes things more expensive for us in the future!!!

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That sounds pretty dead end to me. At least it could be in that senario.

not really. if they lost ExecSG they would just commission a new one or create it in house. the current situation is just a means to an end.

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Thanks for the update and clarifications !

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