If donation is really a solution, then the logic would be to propose it to someone already involved in WebKit development, at the end all they need is fix this endianess issue related to Javascript ... all the rest is already compilable without problem
I don't think they will ask so mutch only for this ...

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Finally someone talking some sense. It's baffling why everyone suddenly wants to port new browsers, instead of fixing the existing one.

kas1e has usually been making some sense, unlike others. he was working himself on magellan and mui owb, or however is fabs browser frontend called on os4 these days? the thing is in this particular case, odyssey wont be outdated only if we manage to push endian fixes upstream into the main webkit repository and maintain them. otherwise every other engine release may break things, that if not immediately adressed, would become inmaintainable like in case of that firefox port.

as i said on amiga.org, krzysztof has proposed a bounty for endian fix, but almost none responded to this:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9464&forum=8&post_id=97775#forumpost97775

also heres some thread on 68k bounties, another might be made on big endian systems in general, but it needs some actual feedback:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=80344&highlight=68k+bounties

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Has anyone contacted the original creators of the best of ever. Maybe Trevor?

Still waiting for the Amizilla as donated..

Seriously, web and printing virusfree could get the Amiga Back on Track.

You know. Very Pretty Please.

I'll buy the Ppaint, machine, new OS when it's done.

Then can continue the job from the retro files.

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NetSurf is missing HTML5 and JS only in our world or in other systems as well?

Everywhere. Actually it *does* have Javascript, but it's very basic.
Work is ongoing. Help and patches usually appreciated. http://www.netsurf-browser.org/developers/

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@Thread

Nice news!

Now start a task force of developers and find that damned RAM consumption bug in Javascript, and then get finally rid of all endian issues...

Don't assume that the Webkit developers have interest in fixing bugs that in other system are hidden by different architecture (endianess) or by Virtual Memory (RAM don't released by javascript), even with a bounty.

If you wanna things change, then work hard for the change.


@Radzik

Lack of HTML5 and Javascript it is common in all Netsurf releases. Javascript is in their RoadMap (check for it on Netsurf site) and it is planned for version 5.

From last nes I read, it seems it is almost complete tough. It needs some left development, good debugging and proper integration into Netsurf.

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Now start a task force of developers and find that damned RAM consumption bug in Javascript

Odyssey 1.25 already has one serious memory leaks fixed and I'm working on fixing more cases. More reasons to have Odyssey 1.25 running on your platform.

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Can you fix the endian problem, or do you know someone who can? That is my main issue about the bounty. If there is none, no money or time in the world will fix this problem.

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@deadwood Can you fix the endian problem, or do you know someone who can? That is my main issue about the bounty. If there is none, no money or time in the world will fix this problem.

That is part of the issue. Deadwood tried to gauge interest and no one spoke up. So in his eyes there was not enough interest. If the users don't show an interest in it why should a developer waste his time working on it?

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Odyssey 1.25 already has one serious memory leaks fixed and I'm working on fixing more cases. More reasons to have Odyssey 1.25 running on your platform

Really Deadwood do you find that annoying bug that allocates memory upto meditation of application?

It was ages that afflicted OWB!


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IMHO Endianess issues of webkit should be resolved with carefully reading its soucecode and finding where endian depending code still exists, resolving problem each single situations per situations.

That should trivial to solve, but it is endless tireless job for a single person developer as webkit engine sourcecode is enormous, but sure it is easy to solve in a reasonable amount of time for a skilled team of 3 or 4 people.

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@deadwood create a bounty and i will donate for it

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I'm not familiar with developers, but for sure must be someone who can do it. We have great people here.

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I think community is interested in modern and updated browser for NG systems. It is must have for us!

@Raffaele
That why I think for such project like Odyssey is nice to have one team. It is easier to work together.

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I will donate it too.

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@terminills I think community is interested in modern and updated browser for NG systems. It is must have for us!

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9464&forum=8&post_id=97775#forumpost97775

If you don't have enough interest to sign up on the site a developer chose to discuss it in the first place. It's easy to see how a developer would deem there to be not enough interest.

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With all the possible respect and not intended to offend any, but who ever read such obscure site like Aros Exec, just some Aros users and developers?

I could have read Aros Exec twice in last five years and your post moved me to read it second time in these years just to read the link you provided.

It is like considering the voice crying in the desert like it was in the bible... Something rather lesser insignificant localized news on a far side forum in our insignificant small community...

If you want people be interested in something important you must bounce news in any big Amiga sites or it will pass unnoticed.

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Now what you guys intend to do?

If someone starts the bounty I will gladly donate for it.

If you continue complaining none is interested and you don't start any bounty then don't cry on it.

Me for example I have not started any bounty and I am not capable to... It is up to you skilled people creating one.

For example regarding financing development of cheap PPC motherboard that we were talking about in a recent thread, I tried starting a new bounty on Bountysource about helping the developers, but I did not understand how it works.

My fault.

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As if they would be making a favor to deadwood. Aren't we talking about this in the comment section of a news item on AW.net? Creating a bounty requires skilled people? The bounty description has been already ready for you! This is just too funny

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IMHO Endianess issues of webkit should be resolved with carefully reading its soucecode and finding where endian depending code still exists, resolving problem each single situations per situations. That should trivial to solve, but it is endless tireless job for a single person developer as webkit engine sourcecode is enormous, but sure it is easy to solve in a reasonable amount of time for a skilled team of 3 or 4 people.

Trivial? And you need 3-4 people for a trivial thing?


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With all the possible respect and not intended to offend any, but who ever read such obscure site like Aros Exec, just some Aros users and developers? I could have read Aros Exec twice in last five years and your post moved me to read it second time in these years just to read the link you provided. It is like considering the voice crying in the desert like it was in the bible... Something rather lesser insignificant localized news on a far side forum in our insignificant small community... If you want people be interested in something important you must bounce news in any big Amiga sites or it will pass unnoticed.

How about on morph.zone you're on that site quite a bit. :)



https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11479&forum=3#123460

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@raffaele

with all due respect, seems like you are good at talking, and making demands of others, but how is that hardware initiative going, you came up with?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=40691&forum=2&start=380&viewmode=flat&order=0

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Trivial tasks are tedious and repetitive if sourcecode is enormous.

That's mainly why one-man job is rather unconfortable, requires time and efforts, and then team of developers is to be preferred, as it shares efforts, minimize time and increase efficiency.

If you want to help in finding the bugs you are welcome, else continue trolling and laughing at any insuccess and any unfinished project in Amiga world, and continue with your perverse job of dissuading people who tried to made FPGA Amiga replica motherboards, just because you are trying to sublimate your own insuccess in finishing one single car races videogame.

Unfortunately experience says you are of no help in this community so I lost any hope in seeing you one day as a valuable resource rather than a troll.

@wawa

Did anyone have the idea of a cheap motherboard made by the community?

Me had!

And it is me who wrote the thread and raising the attention on a new motherboad.

Unfortunately I have no skills in hardware to made a new motherboard all by myself, that's why I called community to arms.

That's why people join communities you know.

It is in order to exchange interests, knowledge, share experiences, giving mutual help, and growing up togheter.

Do you want to rub away all benefits and advantages of staying in a community?

Me no!

Wanna my money? Make a Bounty or raise a Kickstarter and I will put my money in it.

No interested? So shut up and leave hardware developers like Iggy working on it.

Ask yourself:

What if nobody launched such an idea?

There will be no any discussion, no any interest, no developers involved in a new project, and surely no Amiga Community ready for financing it.

Got it?

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@ CDMauro Trivial tasks are tedious and repetitive if sourcecode is enormous. That's mainly why one-man job is rather unconfortable, requires time and efforts, and then team of developers is to be preferred.

How do you know that the endianess issues are "trivial"?
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If you want to help in finding the bugs you are welcome

I'm not interested at all on solving endianess issues.

First because little endian architectures are dominating, and even the latest PowerPC ones support it, so all this effort is toward nano-niches which are part of, or will soon become, retro-history.

Second, and most important, I've much better things to work on.
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, else continue trolling and laughing at any insuccess and any unfinished project in Amiga world, and continue with your perverse job of dissuading people who tried to made FPGA Amiga replica motherboards, just because you are trying to sublimate your own insuccess in finishing one single car races videogame.

That's the usual hatred of people like you, which are only able to talk about arguments of which they have no-knowledege at all, and start whining when they receive a reply.

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Now is question if we want to have fixed WebKit and if we need a bounty for this. Rest doesn't matter.

And team 3-4 guys would be good to take care of developing Odyssey. This can give a guarantee of development.