@Helge
"I happen to think of something. This trial between Amiga Inc and Hyperion. I can only imagine that Amiga Inc wants AmigaOS4 back in their house, or at least the important source-codes to speed up AmigaOS 5 to an immerdiate release. It's possible that Amiga Inc might have better people to work on these things.."

If it goes back to Amiga Inc, we won't see OS5 lol. Don't you know who worked hard with hyperion to bring os4 in first place? (50-100 developers). I doubt Amiga inc will pay them.
You screw hyperion and there won't be os5.

He needs the HAL source, which he has (or used to have?) access to.

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I had previously been in contact with OS4 developers concerning drivers and had intended on leveraging their resources where it made sense. Should the lawsuit have soured their desire, it just means I will be responsible for more drivers.

Conflict of interest or not, unless if this lawsuit ends favourably to the side you've chosen before you launch and you do *not* contact Hyperion, you are not gonna have a legal OS4 on your board.

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@CodeSmith

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In theory, if all he needs to add is drivers, he just needs the SDK.

I think he needs more than just drivers.

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@itix

For OS 4 to continue to evolve, A Inc will need a team of developers (most of it on hyperion). I agree it's not just the drivers. Ack cannot do all of it on its own.

@Adam

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The requirement for a license has always been that it meant securing one from Amiga Inc. first. My intention was to secure that license with Amiga Inc. prior to dealing with Hyperion regarding new hardware. With the lawsuit, I have not contacted Hyperion as it would be a conflict of interest. I had previously been in contact with OS4 developers concerning drivers and had intended on leveraging their resources where it made sense. Should the lawsuit have soured their desire, it just means I will be responsible for more drivers. Adam

This does not answer the question of whether or not you have a signed contract with Amiga Inc which allows you to distribute OS4 with your hardware.

Do you have a signed contract which licenses you to distribute OS4 with this hardware?

I'm trying to ask explicitly and politely, but to my poor understanding it seems as if you are evading giving a "yes" or "no" answer.

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I only meant it could be a theory. I didn't mean any insult..

@Ackcontrols

I guess you're right about delivering a complete system rather than a motherboard, as this is a way to support the Amiga 100%. Perhaps later there will be motherboard offers when Amiga is in a position where it will be possible to do that, too...

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Helge K. Leaving the Amiga in favour of a PC..

I can fully understand why ACK says it's better to sell this new Amiga as a complete system. It's a chance to have all the parts in working condition along with the motherboard, rather than making the mistake Eyetech did with AmigaOne, by only delivering the motherboard, and then don't know what kind of memory, graphic board, sound card and such will work..

I support ACK/Amiga Incs' decision to sell a complete system. Very wise move

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Helge K. Leaving the Amiga in favour of a PC..

I support it aswell.

It is very true Amiga style to sell a complete system!
I guess someone will argue about this, but hey, 99.9% of all amigas sold sofar have been complete systems!

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To people who have purchased new (not used) big-box Amigas in the past, how much did you pay?

I think I paid around DM 5000,- for my Escom A4000T with CyberVision64 Z3 card and SCSI harddisk.

Ciao, Alfred

@terminator3

Amiga Inc and ACK does not have an OS, Hyperion and Acube does not have the legal rights...

Anyway, I think these outlined specs will make a fine desktop-level PPC computer. At least for an OS that can make the best out of a 64-bit multicore CPU (or at least boot up on it in a single core 32-bit way). I'm not holding my breath though, not at all. First there is this "ACK Track Record" thing, and second I think winter 2007 is kind of optimistic. It's a new CPU and many obstacles can turn up for PA Semi yet...

Strange decision with the sound though. No desktop motherboard is sold today without on-board sound, and hasn't been for years. Even "simple" sound systems like on Pegasos/Efika/A1/etc is perfectly OK for 99% of general desktop users (are there even "general user" PCI sound cards manufactured today in 2007? Will there be in 2008? In 2009?), and for audio professionals (who will never come close to anything Amiga anyway) it is becoming less and less regular to have PCI sound cards in your computer, USB has become somewhat of a standard. Do not count on PCI-e sound cards, there is very little purpose with that so it won't happen, at least not in any greater scale.

Not having on-board sound is the only major drawback I see in the outlined specifications (well, except that I'm 99.99% sure it will never be released of course )

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Amiga Inc and ACK does not have an OS, Hyperion and Acube does not have the legal rights...

This does appear to be hobsons choice for both parties.

Hyperion has leverage as it (quite cleverly) outsourced parts of the OS (exec for example) leading to Ainc receiving a non functional OS if the judge returns in their favour.

I think one can see a compromise between the two parties, whereby Hyperion returns the OS and all source in exchange for an agreement to be able to use the Amiga trademarks and distribute OS4, while Ainc / Ack sell complete systems bundled with OS4. However I doubt it will see the light of day on the SAM boards (shame that).

The other reality is it is dragged through the courts for some considerable time and then gets buried in it's component parts.. Game Over.

However in regards to the system Ack is promising to deliver.. I like it. I also really like the fact that it is a complete system... it feels like the way things used to be.

I think Ack will deliver these boards as there is a market outside Amiga, whether we see this system shipped with a complete OS4 is another matter.

Cheers

sKy

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I agree with ACK too in having complete systems.

Dont forget that its very important for developers too. Knowing what the specs are for each Amiga model is one of the key features of an Amiga.

A developer will know 100% that their software will work with that system in the way 'they wanted it' to be.

Quality control is maintained.

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@wolfman

I agree how many Amigaones had bad memory?, PSU issues, incorrectly installed motherboards. Yes I had to repair a few motherboards that people/dealers broke when they were installed in a case with a metal support in the wrong place.
I also suspect that most of the people with quick die battery issues are due to a PCI card loading down the bus when the machine is turned off.
The majority of the A1 users suffered some kind of truama due to incompatible hardware.

PSU issues are still the number one cuase of system instability on both the Amiga and PC DYI

Kgrach

I really hope this is not vapor otherwise I might have to launch a north of the border hunting expedition.

@ackcontrls

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The intention behind the lack of built-in audio was to allow flexibility with the sound capabilities for true audio enthusiasts. For all intents and purposes, the PCI slot is pretty much there for a very inexpensive sound card. All other cards are moving towards PCI Express and with the inexpensive PLX8111, it allows use of PCI based chips on modern hardware anyways. It's a non-issue as PCI Express cards become the de-facto standard.

I love the rationale of looking forward and discarding obselete technology. I can't believe there are no Firewire ports though It would be lame if I had to choose between a supported (AOS & Linux) PCI sound card and Firewire support. PCIe Firewire cards are over 60 EUR and, being extra, someone would have to write a driver. And BTW, USB cards suck ...

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I also suspect that most of the people with quick die battery issues are due to a PCI card loading down the bus when the machine is turned off.

Meh? The battery shouldn't be connected to the bus, AFAIK.

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I love the rationale of looking forward and discarding obselete technology. I can't believe there are no Firewire ports though It would be lame if I had to choose between a supported (AOS & Linux) PCI sound card and Firewire support. PCIe Firewire cards are over 60 EUR and, being extra, someone would have to write a driver. And BTW, USB cards suck ...

Dunno, my Lexicon Lambda isn't bad at all and it's USB. It's got some severe driver issues on Windows, causing insanely high latencies but it works brilliantly on OS X.

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I've also got the same question as I had for Troika, who never responded.

The USB stack dies when the OS locks up, thus not allowing for a hard restart/reboot to be initiated by the keyboard. The SE/XE/Micros have PS2 on them, which gets around this, but this is not the case for USB keyboards.

So....do either of these 'systems' have PS2 for keyboard, or a workaround to this? (modifications to uBoot?)

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I can fully understand why ACK says it's better to sell this new Amiga as a complete system. It's a chance to have all the parts in working condition along with the motherboard,

That's a good reason when talking abotu things like AmigaOne. The memory compatibility was rather poor, so it was annoying to find the "right" stuff. One would hope that ACK's board does not suffer from poor compatibility so that making sure the memory is "just so" should not be a problem. One would hope that a great deal more stuff from the given standard "just works".

For things like cases and keyboards, I don't care. It'll be hooked up to my KVM, which in turn is connected to a nice wireless keyboard and mouse. That ain't gonna change. I wonder if they'll buy stuff back to use as cases, keyboards and mice for other units, especialy if they're still new and in their own particular wrapping. I'd rather not have to store stuff I don't use. Maybe I'll sell it on Ebay or something of anyone else is interested. Of course assuming anything ships, but I am very interested and hope it does.

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@billt


WARNING ONCOMING RANT!!!

It's just not the A1XE.

ALL PC MOTHERBOARDS HAVE MEMORY ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!
The PC133 Standard was one of the more finicky. You may not remember but several
PC chipsets were downright picky in what worked well and what didn't.

But every motherboard manufacturer has a list yes much bigger than the A1's
but they do have a list of know good memory that will work with their system.
Any good pc assembler will tell you that finding the right mix of components that work
well together is difficult.

Yes you can slap a bunch of off the shelf components together and they probably will
work just not well and definitely not reliable. Also once the system is stressed your crap
will lock up or crash. Now if you are not doing anything critical or you don't care if you
team got wiped cause you disappeared at a critical point during an on-line match. By all
means assemble with abandon and live with the random crashes lockups and programs
not working like they should.

The GREAT MYTH that everything just works in the PC world is just as credible as say
ing that politicians tell the truth.

It is rare to find a MOBO that works with everything all chipsets have thier quirks and
little things that they don't like.

Example I build lots of DVR's for what ever reason certain Philip PCI chips just will not
work on any AMD MOBO the damn thing just crashes the machine and the software
hasn't even been installed yet. We are talking at the POST things get hairy.
They tend to work really good on Intel boards except if you go all Intel everything will
work excellent until you put more than one capture card in the machine then random
noise crops up on the video. Now use combo Nvidia/Intel ATI/intel that's is not a prob
lem.

You might blame the Philips chip. So you go TI video capture cards. These chips really
love the All Intel boards as long as you use ATI graphics cards. They wont work reliably
with the built in Intel video. Nvidia cards may not even boot and just gives you multiple
beeps at the post. Funny that same combo will work just not really well on an AMD
board. Difference being a good machine will record 24/7 for months with no lockups. A
bad combo may or may not go more than a week without requiring a reset.

Soundblaster X-Fi is a really good soundboard but look at how many people had issues
with thier combo of hardware. I had people say it absolutely doesn't work on the ASUS
A8R-MVP mobo without random popping noises and sound drops.
works perfectly on my machine. My only issue was an occasion crash after a massive
gaming session. Turns out my graphic card cooler was blowing hot air on my south
bridge. I Fixed the issue by using a water cooling system other than some occasional
gurgling noises it now runs 24/7 no issues at all. I use Beyond TV as my PVR so it
records my shows adds commercials skip and converts them to DIVX. So my PC never
shuts down.

Moral of the story NO PC hardware is guaranteed to work with all PC hardware.

SOOO!!! selling a system guarantees that it will work out of the box and issues that crop
up are easier to troubleshoot. Plus by your comment about selling back uneeded
components is really silly as if you are that cheap. I really don't have much hope for the
quality of your in STOCK components. Besides having a spare mouse or keyboard is always a nice idea :)



rant mode off

Kgrach

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