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Thank you for logging on and telling us this.

You go and show him, don't buy it.


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CodeSmith wrote: I was a bit disappointed by the price as well. Looks like we're back to the CBM model: the affordable low end is just for very basic tasks, and if you want to do something serious you have to pay some serious money. That worked as a marketing strategy back in 1989, but nowadays people have alternatives. I predict that the low end boards will sell moderately well, but the high end boards only to the serious "anything but wintel" Linux types and disgruntled anti x86 ex Mac owners who are used to paying a lot for their computers. At least we'll be keeping the amiga market alive, that at least is something.

Hi CodeSmith,

There's alot of people in the world, and some just have to much money and plenty of curiosity.

We have no idea how many sales are enough to keep ACKControls busy for an entire year after year, but I believe there are enough out there to maintain momentum, until some big wig sees it for what it is and invests into lowering the prices to saner levels. (This is not a barb at ACK's price, it's just obvious that it could be alot lower when it's possible to mass produce it.)

Hi,

What happend with CPU module presantation?

Cao

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[00:14:30] Too early to give an exact cost, but can see the 1.7GHz CPU + board being in the $1,000.00 USD range.

Oh how great! Good luck to everyone that wants to be volunteerly ripped off This PPC/no-genesi/no-ps3 obsession of AmigaInc/Hyperion is outrageous! Every day I geting sick of this situation more and more.

We should all move to open platforms.

To all those who wants more pci-slots, maybe this could be used

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Woohoo!! Finally something to put all my sound cards in!

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@ Thomazkid >> Nice, that would satisfy everyone...

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Woohoo!! Finally something to put all my sound cards in!

So what are you going to do with 15 sound-cards in one machine?

Hans

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New boards........NOW WE'RE TALKING

I also think that the high-end board will need more USB connectors, and pci-express too.

But what about the case????......will there be a "custom amiga case", or is the glory days of custom amiga cases gone (hope not!!!)

Good work ACK

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But what about the case????......will there be a "custom amiga case"

"Custom case" sounds like another $200-300... Better sell some stickers with it and everybody who wants an ugly boing ball on his case can do so.
Do we need to customize everything?

Adam, I beg you to stay out of that case-business and focus on the hardware instead. We don't need another "face-contest" or useless discussions about cases for mainboards that are still vapour (Amy'05) and maybe even not prototyped yet.

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I find it interesting that so many people seem to think the various amiga manufacturers are ripping people off. If that were the case, they would be making big money instead of struggling to survive. If you want to talk ripoff buy gasoline.

I have a towered A4000 now that was expensive 5K. Also three pcees, the cheap one $1200.00 USD.

Adam thank you for daring to step into the pit. Big cahones! My thoughts, if you can't make it cheap make it as good as can be done. At least that way, there will be something to really shought about.

But then only TimeWillTell

There are some whingers about! What sort of pricing do they expect when the Amiga market is so small and specialist. If you're into Amiga because you want a cheap computer you're not right in the head. I know nothing about manufacturing electronics but the overheads on small production runs must be astronomical.
Cheers Adam anyhow looking forward to the 1200 PV board soon...

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There are other options for PCI Express than direct support in the northbridge.

That is true but we already have two strikes against (no driver docs + no direct support) and I'd add a third (more complexity + time).

How about this, how about we let him build the board, port OS4 to it and then make another board next year with PCI Express on it and OS4.1 will add a bunch of cool new stuff as well. By then maybe we'll find a solution for the documentation problem. Win-win.

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I think you have missed something very important regarding pci-express:

I saw what he said about the chip in 2007. I also know that it's possible to convert PCI32 to PCI-Express, and I tried to mention that it's probably not worth the expense to do that now. Waiting for that northbridge will likely offer much better PCI-Express, especially for graphics performance, than the bridge chip anyway. I appologize if that didn't get said well, I was in a very weird daze yesterday (adn still am, and still will be for another week or so) due to lack of sleep.

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And that suposed to be high end in 2007+ ??

Compared to today's PCs? Probably not. Compared to today's Amigas? Could be.

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I would like to vote for some simple onboard hardware like a SATA + PATA + 4 x USB 2.0 (inkl. headers) combination.
A minimal configuration with 6-PCIs for expansion doesn't make very much sense on the long term, because PCI is going to be replaced and one can not say, if future components will be available on PCI.
OTOH it could be, that a minimal board plus standard PCI cards will be cheaper (but bigger, too) as a onboard-solution for at least HD + CD + Keyboard & Mouse + some other connectivity via USB 2.0

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if somebody stuck a southbridge chip on a pci card with all the required ports it would solve the lack of slots maybe. I have no idea how viable that would be but . This one would do the job.

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Every day I geting sick of this situation more and more. We should all move to open platforms.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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That is true but we already have two strikes against (no driver docs + no direct support) and I'd add a third (more complexity + time).

The real issue here is the lack of documentation, but then, there are numerous R3x0-based Radeon cards with PCI Express (all X300-X600) we could support with 2D and 3D drivers.

The main issue is, as Crumb correctly pointed out, that AGP cards are getting rare. Certainly, at this point in time there is no lack of them, but the question is how long will the boards designed now have to keep going?

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