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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:00:31
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It might be a shock to you then that KHTML part is almost untouched, probably meaning that the Marcik KHTML port won't be of much help to AWEB, or at least much more then it is in its present form. |
Even better, so they could start right on |
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:02:09
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Then you would agree that bounties are a good way of thieving were both parts agree, a bit of thievery corporation...
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No, I don't agree, nor I see how what you've written is related to what I've written? _________________ “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ~~ Henry Ford
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:43:24
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accepting donations and not releasing it as free software |
is quite an assumpion, of course we have then the Quote: then a disjointed split Quote:
Don't forget were talking about the complete browser, Marcik would be talking about his browser, rather not on his parts...
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That is, you assumed I had assumed. How ironic is that? |
You started it first! ;-p
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No, I don't agree, nor I see how what you've written is related to what I've written? |
Re-reading it again, who knows!
still no one is forcing you to buy derivative work, at least if one knows that there's actual an open source available just use the original, you can always port it yourself... if it covers the costs of porting is one thing, another is impossible to achieve in this market, so why bother... _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:45:08
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Either Pixie doesn't understand what you write or he's jesting with you. ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
Either way this conversation is starting to get silly don't you think? _________________ /Harry
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:51:05
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| I can't understand why the AWeb team is waiting for Marcik to do a MUI wrapper for MOS before trying to use KHTML in AWeb themselves..
I would hope that all future OS4 browsers would use ReAction instead of MUI. _________________ /Harry
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:52:51
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Marcik changed his mind and decided not to release the sources and Sputnik as a free software |
Does this applies? if it doesn't then all what Fabio talk doesn't hold, and for me there's no need to jump on Marcik work without getting facts straigh, as simple as that, nor proclaiming our opinion based solely on a unsubstantiad claim of what Marcik is going to do with his program.. _________________ Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home. The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 0:54:45
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| Pixie, I could yet again point out how you yet again misunderstood me, but I'm afraid this is a never ending process.
I'd say let's leave it at that. _________________ “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ~~ Henry Ford
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 1:23:47
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 6:41:53
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Ok, so you were just being OT, overgeneralizing and not specifically on Marcik Sputnik... allright then
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Pixie, do you want me to hook you up with an English teacher? Might do you some good. _________________ “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ~~ Henry Ford
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 7:19:03
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No, that would imply that finally some hardware for AOS4 would be available so Marcik can buy it and use it to make Sputnik for AOS4. |
I never heard that he wanted to port himself or anything but if this is the thing then i am sure me and marcik can make a deal so that he can get hardware right away (more or less).
Since youre in touch with him (or so it seems), feel free to tell him to email me if he is interested in an A1 to develop/test on.
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 10:04:02
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I can't understand why the AWeb team is waiting |
Because they fail to make anything other.
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I would hope that all future OS4 browsers would use ReAction instead of MUI. |
Please explain this.. Please give me a only ONE reason - why not MUI? Spare me "statements" like "reaction is a main GUI for OS4" ;)Last edited by ministerq on 28-Jul-2006 at 10:06 AM.
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 11:01:45
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Pixie, do you want me to hook you up with an English teacher? Might do you some good. |
Only if the teacher is a she and of course she would have to be at least on par with my avatar, nothing less! ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif) Last edited by pixie on 28-Jul-2006 at 11:16 AM.
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 11:28:49
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Please explain this.. Please give me a only ONE reason - why not MUI? Spare me "statements" like "reaction is a main GUI for OS4" ;) |
Seems like a perfectly good reason to me. For all we know, MUI, as a separate product, might not be included in future versions of the OS. Just look what happened with the speech libraries back in the day.
Of course ReAction might not be either, and there was some talk about Cairo a while back. _________________
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 12:35:22
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As you said it's the default GUI for OS4. ReAction hasn't separate GUI settings for every application (a nice thing back in the 90's) making a change of themes on OS4 change all applications look. MUI is also not controlled by Hyperion or some of the OS4 team making it difficult to control what path the development of MUI will take. The author is much more close to MOS in this regard, even if he has "dropped out" of the MOS dev team.
Yes, some things aren't great with ReAction. But if developers work on improving the current classes and adding new ones I'm quite sure it will be really good in the future.
Also I just love the default look of OS4 applications with ReAction ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
EDIT: btw I'm totally against multiple GUI systems for any OS. ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif) Last edited by Samwel on 28-Jul-2006 at 12:38 PM.
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 14:09:04
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Please explain this.. Please give me a only ONE reason - why not MUI? Spare me "statements" like "reaction is a main GUI for OS4" ;) |
One reason - personal preference. Like with so many things, a lot of people have personal preference for one or the other thing. _________________ Seriously, if you want to contact me do not bother sending me a PM here. Write me a mail
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 14:10:56
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| - changing the the core of a browser with something completly different might be more work than just writing a new browser around the core
- changing the GUI-system in a big app not designed for easy GUI-exchange is probraly allmost as much fun
- changing the GUi-system to one only (still) supported for one part of the potential cosumer-base isn't the smartest thing to do
- the fact that this GUI-system is dreaded by pretty much everybody else isn't helpfull either, and it's limitations compared to the "old" GUI are the icing on that cake
- I somehow doubt that the GUI is the only "wrapper" needed by khtml in order to run on Amigaoid OSes
- wether the income gernerated by selling it 50$ a piece will ever exceed what would have been in th bounty-pot by that time is atleast questionable _________________ - We don't need good ideas, we haven't run out on bad ones yet - blame Canada
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 28-Jul-2006 22:53:45
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One reason - personal preference |
So, if my, Marcik, or anyone programmer personal preferences is related with MUI, then nobody can do anything with this. ;) Simple. |
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 29-Jul-2006 0:03:17
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If that's his preference, then no. ![](https://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
I still hope there can be a ReAction wrapper aswell in the future. _________________ /Harry
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 29-Jul-2006 2:35:47
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AmigaOS has a history of several differen GUI's, Triton, Reaction, MUI, and the latest, Feelin, just to mention a few.
Why do you think OS4 would be any different? _________________ Site admins are people too..pooff!
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Re: Sputnik/KHTML port Update Posted on 29-Jul-2006 10:07:51
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