Hi Tedd,

if you have money to spend and look for amiga alike technology just approach the MorphOS-Team (they are open to serious business plans and going embedded) and bplan/genesi (they have the know how to build ppc devices).
OTOH you can just invest in AROS which is open by design in every direction.
But to wait for AI is wasted time.

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Besides that you do not tell us much about your desktop vision but just another mobile phone OS: I very much honour your engagement which in some points sounds better to me than what is currently going on. But sound is not everything. We had a lot of noise in this and that direction. Be more realistic. Who of us Amiga users just wants another mobile phone? This is really not in the first place. Desktop and developers must be the core features of a master plan to save as much of the sunken ship that is possible to save. Otherwise you won't attract neither investors nor customers. Besides that, your plan seems to be very vague. Amiga market and users do not need big dreams but small stepstones. Yes, releasing OS4 for Sam and other PPC platforms would be some. Only that would grow a realistic fundament to attract other people for coming back. iPhone clones really do not belong here. Blindfold snapshots by dreaming of huge amounts of money do not help the Amiga, they just make it worse. It takes years to develop soomething like an "aPhone". Years of development need a very lot of investments. It is not just done by owning the IP of AmigaOS and adapting it to one more given PPC core. You need at least one not too small company that buys and sells your package.

We are all stuck in the mud for more than a decade now and want to get out. But I believe you've chosen the wrong way to go public with it. You already gathered an investment group and got a price that you shall pay. This is something that very few people can achieve at all in our context. If you really want to help the community and solve some of the problems you listed then you simply have to pay the price they told you. I'm afraid there is no other way. It doesn't count whether they deserve the money or not. They have the rights AFAWK to do whatever they want. And I'm afraid you shot yourself in the foot with this going public. Buyouts stay in the background until they are done. Going public seems to be a very unprofessional way for me. That's sad because I believe you had the chance to bring off the deal by staying in the background and first tell us after having done it. With your appeal now it will get so much more difficult for you to still let it happen. Why? At first, because AInc. now learnt that there is more interest in their business than they deserve. That raises the price. They can lean back, juggle now and raise the price to any unpayable limit with that knowledge. At second, AInc. does not care for Amiga users. We all now this for years now. They never did and never will. They only care for money (if at last). In consequence of this they won't listen to us as they did in the past. At third, even if they listened to us they wouldn't lower the price. Why should they? It is a company (whatever they have in mind for being one), not a welfare. At fourth, it is very urgently needed to find out which rights they hold and which not. This is very important for future investors (just in case there will ever be some). So I believe it will be wise to wait for the end of the lawsuit.

The only chance to buy AInc. at a reasonable price might be an operation that I hereby call "adoption of worthiness" as I don't know of any technical term for it. I don't know if such an operation is possible to get this going for an interested company to find out the effective price of another company. That way it may be possible to evidence that the company with all its IP is not worth that 90mio$ bubble or whatever unrealistic sum they think of. And I don't know if it would help because at last every price is reasonable that all contractors agree to. If one does not the contract is not dealt.

I wish you all the luck to get the deal but IMO you decreased your chances rapidly.

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Who of us Amiga users just wants another mobile phone? This is really not in the first place.

Me! I would love to use an OS4 based mobile/pda. All the WindowsCE, Linux and Symbian based devices suck. OS4 would be perfect for the mobile market, as it already has tons of applications, small, fast and efficient and also has a desktop platform for development to attract more developers.
If we would have a successful OS4 mobile sale, we would have money to support the coming back to the desktop market.
Of course it's important to release OS4 for SAM and other PPC platforms meanwhile!
I think this is the way. It's blindness not to see sale potential in an OS4 mobile version.


By the way, the name aPhone rules. We should register the trademark as soon as possible

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if you have money to spend and look for amiga alike technology just approach the MorphOS-Team (they are open to serious business plans and going embedded) and bplan/genesi (they have the know how to build ppc devices). OTOH you can just invest in AROS which is open by design in every direction. But to wait for AI is wasted time.

I agree. Doing anything with ainc is a waste of money, time and nervs. Approach MOS, and make mobile phones with it, load it with aminet stuff and watch... I am pretty sure that A LOT of ex-amiga users would buy such phone since phones are much cheaper than desktops.

And present developers could easily make programs at home and further expand the user base.

Just think of it. I read that there are more MOS programs than OS4, mos team doesn't have any lawsuits to deal with and genesi are thru amiga passionist. They also made big donations, did ainc made ANY?

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It doesnt appear as if Amiga Inc are interested in keeping the scene alive. I'm not sure what they want to do with AmigaOS if the court case is resolved in their favour. I dont understand what their motives are.

Quite the opposite actually, they have done everything they could to kill off the community and even sued or threatened to sue normal community members.. Not many months since they threatened to sue someone, because he released a video of a amiga running the modified version of kickstart 3.5 or so. How low can one go?

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I know you don't do coding. But you are speaking of your management skills. Yet you have not managed this project to fruition. Is the $10,400 plus at least in a nice interest bearing account so the bounty will get bigger over time? My point is perhaps if you can manage to get a major app like Mozilla to OS4 we'd have more reason to listen to your open plea and rally behind you. Show us you are truly "can do" unlike the other guys.

Sounds like a hard task due to the current hardware situation. How many current OS4 users are there? My guess is that there are less than thousand, which makes the userbase even smaller than 68k. There is not much point of porting anything to OS4 these days, as there is hardly anyone in the community that will be able to use it, all thanks to this hardware situation created by Amiga INC.

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I would love to use an OS4 based mobile/pda.

Me too, but the key word in my sentence is "just" and the explanation for that followed. Desktops and Dev's at first, then you can go elsewhere.

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OS4 would be perfect for the mobile market, as it already has tons of applications, small, fast and efficient and also has a desktop platform for development to attract more developers.

Other platforms also have and they have some more really important programs: those that are basically needed to use a (smart)phone for its purpose: phoning, messaging, using hotspots, bluetoothing ... There are no equivalents for the Amiga. All of this has to be done before.

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It's blindness not to see sale potential in an OS4 mobile version.

I did not do so but it is dullness to believe that doing the third step before the first and second will prevent you from falling to your nose again.

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By the way, the name aPhone rules. We should register the trademark as soon as possible

Fill it with that slogan: "aPhone? What is aPhone?" - "Well, it is just a phone"

@spotUP

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oh man this news item is embarrasing... some moderator please remove it, quick!

Embarrasing behavior from companies related to the Amiga seems to be the unfortunate norm in Amigaland.

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all thanks to this hardware situation created by Amiga INC.

You can't blame Ainc for that only, the hardware was there. Try to look at why
Eyetech failed instead of just blaming Amiga Inc.

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Please speak with Anton on the AmiZilla mailing list, he is the project manager for AmiZilla. The funds are in a interest bearing CD getting 5%+. Not sure what else I can do except donate more to make the contest more appealing. DiscreetFX wants AmiZilla to come out more than anyone.

I'll gladly do that if given contact information for this "Anton". But if you are really so serious about really truly doing something for the Amiga community why haven't you, or your co-worker here stayed abreast of progress with this Anton person on this very important project? Or been helping to push the project along as the years have ticked by? (Yes I appreciate the supposed $2000 donation from DiscreetFX). Does Anton have this account with the $10,400+ USD or does DiscreetFX? All this community gets is talk talk talk. Where are the actions and the results? You want to take up the mantle of leadership, thats great, then lead and make &#%$ happen.

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And what's so embarrasing about one mans dream. What's embarrasing is
the "when it's done" situation we had for how many years now 3-4 ?

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@DiscreetFX
One thing i would like to see is a pre assembled mini mig run or similar. I have the feeling that you are pretty much the only amiga community who have the funding to get started on such a project. I sure as heck would buy one, and i think plenty of others would to.

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You can't blame Ainc for that only, the hardware was there. Try to look at why Eyetech failed instead of just blaming Amiga Inc.

Eyetech failed because no OS4 was available, buggy hardware and having the motherboard supplier go bankrupt. Even when the pre release of OS4 was released, there was already nearly no hardware left. I think they sold out pretty fast considering you could not even run linux properly on the bug infested and overriced boards.

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I'll gladly do that if given contact information for this "Anton".

Send an email to amizilla@yahoogroups.com or just join the list. You'll find Anton there.

I think you're coming down on DiscreetFX a bit hard here. They hosted a page and contributed to the bounty. They didn't open a department, hire staff or make any promise. They basically "threw a party" and few people came. Not their fault. Anton volunteered to try and organize some of the efforts among contributors. But lately there hasn't been much effort to organize. Any who want to end the talk talk talk are free to start contributing code.

Plaz

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One thing i would like to see is a pre assembled mini mig run or similar.

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Contaced a Factory in China about producing a run of fully populated Mini-migs

http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40410&forum=8

Discussion of perceived legal issues:
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Pre-assembled Minimigs - Cmonnnnn!

http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40486&forum=8

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@DiscreetFX

Consider this - you are being fanatical and missing the bigger picture?

The point of DE/AA was to get content out in front of people that arent necessarily the "fanatical" fanbase - that you can then draw in with the fact its branded "Amiga", which in turn can feed the interest in the alternative desktop. The fact OS4 is technically "behind" in terms of what people require today is incidental and a different discussion. I believe Amiga-NG has always been part of the plan with Amiga Inc., just perhaps not made such a big deal in public for various commercial reasons.

Consider the iPod/iMac/Mac Mini/Apple TV and Apple. Digital convergence anyone? Oh and lets not forget the iPhone that pretty much proves my point...

The main difference of course is that one makes the hardware too.

OS4 on its own would be a waste of time IMHO.

For a second opinion you could ask BBRV!

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which is why i mentioned it.. Seems like they could not pull it off. Kinda sad, because then minimig will only be available to 1337 few with electronic skills.

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if you have money to spend and look for amiga alike technology just approach the MorphOS-Team

A year ago I wouldn't have put much support in such an idea. Today is different. (Get out the flower arrangements and harp music....) Perhaps the MOS team could even attract ex-AOS4 engineers to help the effort. I know Hyperion and MOS have some bad blood, so that isn't likely.

Plaz

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which is why i mentioned it.. Seems like they could not pull it off. Kinda sad, because then minimig will only be available to 1337 few with electronic skills.

I know. I see you over there and I realize you are following all the minimig threads carefully.
I felt we needed to provide a few direct links so others could track part of the overwhelming # of efforts taking place concerning minimig.
It points out (once again) that everything regarding forward movement is user driven, whilst the parent companies focus on obfuscation and the erection of higher and higher barriers to progress each and every day.

*cough* so who is really attempting to make good use of the IP, the users (who actually DO something) or the parent companies?

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