@BillE

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Everytime an application gets a Windows version, the original Amiga version dies. Distant Suns, DOpus Magellan, Lightwave, Imagine, VistaPro etc.etc.etc. The list is endless.

I think Amiga versions died because Amiga died. Majority of Amiga applications were never ported to Windows and they died anyway...

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We needed apps of this proportion to be Amiga only. Now another reason to get an Amiga is gone. It was or could have been a major selling point for Amiga hardware.

Not to belittle Hollywood but Winblows has their fair share of multimedia authoring software already and I doubt it would be a major selling point for OS4.
What is important is that OS4 version is kept on the same level as the winblows version and releases are not behind.

I don't see it as important to keep Hollywood Amiga only, continued support is what matters.
The fact that Windows users now am able to compile for AmigaOS (and clones) is pretty cool IMHO

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You are a whiner with "me! me! me!" attitude. There is no free lunch.

Realy ? You dont know me, and were did I ever do that ? I merely expressed my concerns.
I could go and call you names, but i wont.
My discussion with you is over.

btw where is the OSX version ?? I thought only OSX executables could be produced by hollywood

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@Metalheart:
No, there won't be an IDE for Amiga because that would be a waste of precious resources (time). Hollywood on Amiga is perfectly integrated with the great Cubic IDE. And for the OS4 users, there will soon be a plugin for Codebench. There's really no need to do another IDE on top of these two already great solutions.

Apart from that, I'd like to point out that the AmigaOS versions of Hollywood are highly optimized. In fact, crossfading a 1680x1050 screen is faster on my 600mhz SAM than on my 2.6ghz Pentium 4. Not kidding! This is because I went to great pains for the Amiga versions to get as much speed as possible out of them. This means specifically, using new hardware accelerated blending APIs introduced with OS4.1 and MorphOS 2.x. So please, stop the drama... buy Hollywood instead :) This is really the best you can do to ensure further developments.

Just upgraded from my old version of Hollywood and Designer to v4.5 for AmigaOS.
Really looking forward to getting it downloaded, this has been on my wishlist for a long time!

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Btw, about that HW accelerated API, you talk about OpenGl (via minigl), or about that composting stuff ? If about compositing, its also present on morphos ? Or with case with morphos its OpenGL ?

In general i in interest, which functions exactly are HW accelerated (just to know more about). All the blitting/drawing ones, or only some special which can be used, and can be not ?

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@Metalheart

Ah, you are correct. There is no OSX version. It just can just save programs for OSX.

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Realy ? You dont know me, and were did I ever do that ?

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We needed apps of this porportion to be Amiga only. Now another reason to get an Amiga is gone. It was or could have been a major selling point for Amiga hardware.

It is selfish to assume developers should be working for free to sell Amiga hardware.

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Where's the whining in that ?

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@softwarefailure

I already have Hollywood/designer/malibu so dont worry about support from me.

There is no drama, just concerns based on the past. I believe you when you say you want to continu support ! But it's not just about yoy, also about users leaving the AOS version and getting the Win version instead. Witch might leave you with a handfull of sales for the Amiga version.

But time will tell, and I hope I'm wrong. (That doesnt happen very often )

Cheers and thanks for your hard work !

Martin

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I've suggested this before:

Hyperion/A-eon need to identify applications that would showcase the X1000 and assist the publishers in their development and promotion.

Hollywood is clearly a candidate.

@ne_one

ABSOLUTELEY YES !!!! AGREE

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@softwarefailure

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Apart from that, I'd like to point out that the AmigaOS versions of Hollywood are highly optimized. In fact, crossfading a 1680x1050 screen is faster on my 600mhz SAM than on my 2.6ghz Pentium 4. Not kidding!

Well, then there is something wrong with my SAM..... My Presentations are always much slower, "jerkier" on my SAM, than on my 1,7GHz Laptop. They go really smooth on the Windowsmachine... on my SAM it has very very short stutters... about twice a second. Frame rate drastically drops there...

@all

As long as Designer stays "Amiga Only" we will be fine, I think.

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@ gerograph

As far as I know only the effect "crossfade" is hardware-accelerated. Also, you need alot of free gfx-mem to do it smoothly.

On my sam 667mhz it looks very good.

Torgeir

Most of our Amiga user group members and most of our ex members have no amiga anymore, or keep only a museum version. They use either Windows or Linux or both in their computing, those I know of. I do not know what will happen but anyone using the windows version of Hollywood will be able to directly display the consequences at our meetings, beyond videos or slideshows.

Noel

@BillE & everyone
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Everytime an application gets a Windows version, the original Amiga version dies.

I would just like to point out that my PortablE language has a (basic) Windows version, but I have no intention of dropping OS4 support , nor selling my Sam (nor in fact using Windows when I can use OS4!).

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@Troels
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The fact that Windows users now am able to compile for AmigaOS (and clones) is pretty cool IMHO

As others have pointed out, this is quite unlikely. They'll be like "Omega what?"

What we need (if it isn't already possible) is a way to extract the 'compiled' Hollywood code from an executable, and then add a Hollywood interpreter/player for a different OS to it.

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I must say that Windows version of Hollywood is a good step, but to be honest, I feel somewhere deep in my heart I'm really jealous of that great software not being Amiga only anymore.

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They'll be like "Omega what?"

True! I've heard this already.

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We needed apps of this porportion to be Amiga only. Now another reason to get an Amiga is gone. It was or could have been a major selling point for Amiga hardware.

So you're basically saying that on Windows there wasn't already any graphic-visual development tool à la Hollywood? Please get serious: people DIDN'T and DON'T buy an Amiga just for Hollywood, and WOULDN'T do that in the future like they never did. They have dozens of alternatives which maybe won't be better, but they works, as thousands and thousands of 3rd party applications already developed on Windows with them can easily demonstrate.

More pragmatically, I can see only one of the last good programs for Amiga being finally at disposal of a greater public, and, as I have already said, this can bring us more applications.

@ Moxee and ChrisH

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As others have pointed out, this is quite unlikely. They'll be like "Omega what?"

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True! I've heard this already.

Yes, as I spotted these news I reacted as skeptical by saying "Ok we have lost our last Amiga Killer Apllication", then I started mumbling and reasoning that Hollywood it is just not a program for just making slideshows and/or 3D graphics like Imagine or Lightwave.

Lightwave just outputted 3D graphics or Animations.

Scala could just output complex slideshows and _TV Titling...

But even if Hollywood can make slideshows or presentations or little applications, it is not aimed mainly at this.
Its main task it is becoming rapidly as being true Authoring software that could also compile these presentations or applications (See lookhere from Allanon for example) and the fact that even PC users could output directly any sort of programs capable of running on Amigas too, it could be just an OPPORTUNITY for them to try to compile their applications for Amiga too.

At least Amiga is a virgin market in which anyone can emerge, while PC Windows market is saturated by any kind of software.

Or perhaps people using Hollywood for Windows who want to release Open Source software could for example release also an Amiga version of it just if someone of us Amigans will request a version for our platform, at no exceeding cost and no exceeding time.

Just click the button for compiling Amiga version and the software will be output ready for "run on Amiga" by Hollywood capabilities.

Game Makers could made their games for Amiga too at no cost, and give us the opporunity of running their games on amiga too (see for example "The Secret of Middle City being worked by italian game makers Imagimotion.

http://www.imagimotion.it/homepage.asp?showArticle=36

And these are just some examples that came in my mind.

More and more opprtunities could be offered, just depending by the fantasy of multiplatform Hollywood developers)

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