@HammerD

Not too long ago, there was no hope for classic users to ever enjoy AOS4. And after the release of AOS4.0 for classics, there was no hope that AOS4.1 would ever see the light of day for classic users.
So actually, I think, the situation is much more perfect than it ever was :)

Furthermore, there are some nice products/updates/software/hardware already existing and also in the queue for being soonish (in Amiga terms of course -- but still sooner than ever before) to be released.

Even if that special word is not liked anymore:

I feel more excited than ever before regarding (my hobby) AmigaOS!
It doesn't feel unperfect at all (with also AROS, MorphOS and Hollywood)/

regards,
nexus

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@nexus

Thanks for the positive feedback :)

We've worked hard on AmigaOS 4.1 for Classics - and believe me it wasn't easy. The machines are older and more tempermental.

I think it's a good quality release and with further updates coming it will get even better.

As I said it's not perfect, but it's much nicer out-of-the-box than 3.9 or 4.0.

The included Extras installer means you can be up and running in no time with a web browser, ftp client, native file manager, remote desktop connection, music player, etc...make it really nice. The Mediator and Prometheus PCI bridges just "work", you don't have to install any additional drivers. The "Live CD" boot option is great for troubleshooting, too.

If you have a Deneb USB card (a very popular card) and Poseidon in the flash, your devices will "work", including access to the usbscsi.device in MediaToolbox which allows you to format/prep USB sticks. That wasn't possible in 4.0.

You can even boot the Installation CD from a USB cdrom, negating the need for a floppy. And your USB ethernet adapter will be automatically detected by the Internet Connection Wizard - again very nice. USB sound cards will work too (although it requires a 3rd party "glue" file which is freely available.)

I hope you enjoy it :)

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@HammerD

While you answer normally on questions, maybe you also can say a bit about those benefits, which got the whole OS4.x while working on classic-related code was done ? I mean some technical info, like "with help of classic version, we found that and that problems, and they was fixed, strange why they not affect before ng-machines". Or for example "because of classic version , we add that and that, and , its very cool to have on NG machines as well". I.e. some more technical info, just to see benefits of whole os from all that hard work.

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@HammerD

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There is an extensive FAQ and brand new installation guide that is shipping with AmigaOS 4.1 Classic (which, by the way, the FAQ already has an update to it and will be made available). Hyperion is improving their communications - see the blog site where you have seen a far greater release of information about AmigaOS 4.1 Classic than any other 4.x release. There's more news coming soon so keep posted. They aren't blind to the shortcomings and have largely tried to address all the issues with 4.1 for Classics. They have already said further updates are planned.

glad to see the documentation is improving along with the product -- with which, in case you couldn't tell, i am rather enamored. i have noticed communication getting much, much better over the past two months, and am glad to see @HyperionMP returning to the board as well as more regular blog updates.

i wish you all much success with your sales of OS 4.1 for classic amigas.

-- eliyahu

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My A1200T is about the most basic PPC system you can have, only a BPPC (no SCSI) and BVision in there, so I didn't have many issues, other than the missing pager (which still isn't supported on the A1200 in OS4.1 unless you have additional hardware) and missing Warp3D driver for Permedia 2, both of which I had expected to come in a free update.

Well I'm only a beta tester :) But I can say that extensive testing and development was done on the memory sub-system, specifically memory paging via disk or zorro 3. (I can't tell you how many kernel revisions but it was very many revisions :) The kernel is much improved in this area. That will directly benefit all platforms in low-memory situations.

Having said that, the software has to behave nicely. If the software isn't written properly you can still run into problems.

I'll give you one example where software can fail: Blender can blindly request video memory and if there isn't any available it will crash. As I'm sure you know there are different ways to request memory from the kernel, and some ways are better than others.

So even though we've improved here, we still need the software to be written properly, which, sadly, is not always the case. Often users will blame the Operating system but most of the time it's not that.

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Great news. Hope it performs well for classic users and hopefully will encourage a few more developers working on OS4 projects too.

A few people have mentioned the logo, I have to say that I prefer the 'toned down' one on the default wallpaper over the OS4.1 packaging. Can't be bad if all there is to complain about is a logo design .

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@Amidog

The next update for AmigaOS 4.1 Classic should provide disk-paging using the stock IDE port. (No Guarantees, but I'm hopeful).

Current options for disk-paging are:

-Via SATA hard disk swap partition (assumes a PCI bridge - Mediator or Prometheus and a compatible SATA PCI controller card)
-Via Cyberstorm PPC SCSI hard disk (swap partition)
-Via Zorro 3 memory board

Luckily for your Blizzard PPC you can install up to 256MB of physical ram. Cyberstorm PPC users aren't as lucky and they should have a swap partition or Zorro 3 memory board to augment the 128MB physical ram.

All of this is spelt out in the extensive FAQ that ships with AmigaOS 4.1 Classic.

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About the Warp3D Driver for Permedia2, the ONLY reason that it hasnt been released before is because it simply did not exist, its only because I contacted Karl Churchill (Karlos for the friends) and his wish to 'finish' of what he started all those years ago. IF we would have a developer back then willing to port the 68K Warp3D driver, and CAPABLE of doing so, this is something most people dont understand these things are NOT EASY, it would have come as a free update, if we had a developer to do the scsi we would have. But we didnt. I am glad Karl took the time and believe me its more then just recompiling the 68K/WOS Permedia2 driver, its adapting OS3.X to OS4 base code, finding bugs that never appeared under OS3 but were crashing under OS4 because of our more strict system.

Basically its a miracle it got on the OS4.1 release CD as is, it still has flaws thats why we called it beta, but it allows you to run Quake3 :)

But Mathias, if you restart development on your emulators i am sure i can find someone willing to donate a copy to you :)

Would love to see FPSE run on this !