DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

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The biggest irony is that if it wasn't because of us the name wouldn't have the internet presence it has..
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Although my previous post applied soley to the minimig efforts, we are, of course, talking about community driven efforts in general vs parent company "achievements" (using THAT word very loosely).
All hardware efforts such as OS3x addons as well as the 11 OS4 capable projects I wrote about in prior posts have ALL been user driven.
Software projects (many) are still sitting in the hands of developers who often ask me what to do next.
I have too much respect for the developers I have come to know here and elsewhere. I can not in good conscience tell them to proceed with anything given the current situation. Some of these people are professionals, for example, and strangely would like to get paid. Others merely want to know that there is hope, before putting in the effort to bring more software to the users.
As you can see then, the blatant stall on release of NG hardware running OS4 affects WAY more than just the OS4/hardware issue.
Also, I have read most posts from users buying other things in the meantime.
When you tally up all these ancillary losses of revenue, it is surely in the millions.
Basically...if something gets settled here and gives someone a few million dollars, it still represents a loss vs what COULD have been done in the intervening time.
Sorry if these thoughts sound somewhat unrelated or disjointed, but I feel these basic points must be made. I have no choice given all the data to conclude that the intent here has not been to be successful in a financial sense that most people relate to.

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You said it yourself: Quote:

Since October of 2006 Apple has announced , shipped and sold over 1 million iPhones.

If Apple can easily sell 1 million cell phones, McBill and McKouri might think they can sell 1-10 million OS4 cell phones in next coming years. If they can make for example 5 dollars profit each cell phone it's 5-50 million dollars. If they think they can do that you have to pay them more to be able to buy the company. 1-10 million cell phones is much more than selling 2000-10000 desktops to die hard enthusiasts.

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@Plaz

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I think you're coming down on DiscreetFX a bit hard here. They hosted a page and contributed to the bounty. They didn't open a department, hire staff or make any promise. They basically "threw a party" and few people came. Not their fault. Anton volunteered to try and organize some of the efforts among contributors. But lately there hasn't been much effort to organize. Any who want to end the talk talk talk are free to start contributing code.

Perhaps in a way, but I believe its time to speak very frankly to companies that continually approach us with grand talk. DiscreetFX made this "news item". DiscreetFX is talking about assuming the mantle of leadership and asking us to follow along. Well then do something about it. If I knew how to code I would. In the meantime I have put money into buying an Efika when there was not and still is no MOS for it. Contributed to Sputnik for OS4 when I don't even have OS4, to AROS on Efika. I'll contribute to a MOS on SAM too if that bounty is created.

They say they can run the Amiga brand and make things happen, its a very simple test in the context of them making that claim. Get OS4 its modern browser. If you can do that maybe you can do something with the Amiga brand after all. If you can't, well then you are dead in the water anyway. No modern browser = no mass appeal. If working with Anton on Amizilla is a dead end lately help Troels and Marcel to get Sputnik really going. I've put money up already. Will DiscreetFX help make a modern browser happen with a real concerted effort?

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DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

Though I think that the minimig is an awesome thing going forward, I think that a recreation in the minimig style for the A1200 and the AGA custom chipset is probably more appropriate and isn't Individual Computer and som other folks working on that? There needs to be a transition type platform and recreating an A1200 board with newer peripheral interfaces as well as have AGA implemented in an FPGA as well as have a 68k (compatible?) chip on board would be great. Such a board would be flexible enough for the wedge cases as well as the tower cases and the hardware options provided by Elbox, Individual and company will give the market some room to grow.

I think we really lack that transition phase of hardware.

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I personally think the first step would be to find out how many is interested and then figure out how much each minimig will cost.
I myself am definitely very interested, but not if it would cost lets say $200.

Edit: though i guess this is kinda off topic from me anyways..
But personally i think it could be a good way of maybe raising some funding for bigger projects..

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We have already donated to Sputnik a long time ago.

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They say they can run the Amiga brand and make things happen, its a very simple test in the context of them making that claim.

I generally agree with you. But like the rest of us DIscreetFX can only talk about what they would do *IF* they owned the IP. It's my feeling lately that finishing any thing that benifits KMOS even indirectly is a bad thing. For DFX to pour resources into any project that could be sucked in to the 'black hole' known as Amiga Inc. by lawsuits or other poor management woes would seem a futile waste if DFX doesn't really have a say in the future and direction of the IP.

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If working with Anton on Amizilla is a dead end lately help Troels and Marcel to get Sputnik really going

I don't think it's a dead end technically. The work just needs to be done by those who know how. Mozilla turned out to be a much larger project than many anticipated. Not only does mozilla have to be coded, several large dependant modules have to go with it along with all the libs. I think that's why you see projects like Sputnik, some of the same dependencies don't exist, some work has already been done that can be ported over.... just a bit easier.

If we really want a modern AOS browser without all the porting problems, then why aren't we looking perhaps to supporting IBrowse more, or even the now opensourced AWeb? Why not modernize these navite browsers?

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We have already donated to Sputnik a long time ago.

And thats a good thing. But we hear about this movie over and over then you pop out with this rambling news item that is not a news item. You make a joke of sheep in it like others have in the past. You speak of the fair price you offered. You want our support, then let us know what that was dollar-wise and what they said they'd need in return to sell. Why? Because you are asking for support and actions from us. So it does become our business when you implore us to make it our business as well. Otherwise you just seem like a hoax as much as the people you say currently use the brand as a tax write-off.

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DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

Minimig is a great project for things retro, and it has potential to do more. But I don't think it gets us to a place we want to be with a modern OS on the latest CPUs/hardware. SAM looks like the right direction, but there's that darn KMOS again.

Plaz

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Talk to Acer. Maybe they are willing to revoke the license from Amiga Inc.

Has any one ever gotten the strait story on what Gateway(Now Acer) kept and sold int the deal to Amino(Now Amiga Inc). Would there be any thing to gain by tipping off Acer that they may still possibly hold ownership in Amiga IP? I've read several theads on the subject and still don't know how that all worked out exactly. Did Gateway sell the IP or just license it?

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DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

Minimig and AROS are the future!

If MOS were open source and belonged to the community I would plump for that.

I say get AROS onto Classic, Minimig, EFIKA and SAM440.
Then make it into what AmigaOS-NG should have been.

All IMHO!

@fairlanefastback

I suggest you quote Tedd Gallion OR Bill Panagouleas and respond to the proper party. Two different people have posted here for DiscreetFX. You know that, right?

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DiscreetFX will get involved in minimeg and help if that's what the Amiga community wants.

Yes! That would be great. I'd love to build a Minimig but my eyesight's not good enough to do the soldering.

New classics and AROS 68k!

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I suggest you quote Tedd Gallion OR Bill Panagouleas and respond to the proper party. Two different people have posted here for DiscreetFX. You know that, right?

They are both speaking for DiscreetFX LLC through its single account here. The original post is signed as being from a member of DiscreetFX Partners. And I am addressing myself to that single company. If Tedd has personal opinions seperate from DiscreetFX LLC perhaps he should have his own account here. And not all the posts in this thread are signed as from one vs. the other besides.

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I say get AROS onto Classic, Minimig, EFIKA and SAM440.

The more time that passes the more this sounds like the way to go. I hope Tigger has had some time to put towards his AROS Efika port. I'm looking forward to it and glad he came up to bat to do it after the first programmer bailed.

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I generally agree with you. But like the rest of us DIscreetFX can only talk about what they would do *IF* they owned the IP. It's my feeling lately that finishing any thing that benifits KMOS even indirectly is a bad thing. For DFX to pour resources into any project that could be sucked in to the 'black hole' known as Amiga Inc. by lawsuits or other poor management woes would seem a futile waste if DFX doesn't really have a say in the future and direction of the IP.

I can understand that viewpoint, but doing nothing yields nothing. If someone magically showed up who could do the port and wanted the $10,400 would we now tell them not to do it because it benefits KMOS/Amiga Delaware? I'm not asking a silent DFX to do something. I'm asking a vocal one to show that it has the abilitly to live up to some level of its own hype in this thread. This community is constantly abused by BS by various entities. If you are going to talk the talk lets seem some walking the walk as well for once. Its not like I'm not willing to support them and pay to see their movie or buy a DVD of it to show support for their firm when/if it comes out, or any other that says they want to do things for us. I'm willing to take some chances with my money, like with my current doorstop of an Efika and I do understand things take time. But its a two way street when its comes to actions, especially when you are imploring us to do something.

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If we really want a modern AOS browser without all the porting problems, then why aren't we looking perhaps to supporting IBrowse more, or even the now opensourced AWeb? Why not modernize these navite browsers?

I'm all for that if its feasible. I don't have access to OS4 and am not familiar enough to know if it is. But I'd be similarily curious if it was.

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@fairlanefastback
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then let us know what that was dollar-wise and what they said they'd need in return to sell. Why? Because you are asking for support and actions from us. So it does become our business when you implore us to make it our business as well. Otherwise you just seem like a hoax as much as the people you say currently use the brand as a tax write-off.

I don't agree one bit with what you wrote there. What they offered and what A Inc
demands that is his companys business not ours. There is no point in making that
figure public just because we are curious. DiscreetFX want to do exactly what every
one of us would like to do. To bring forth Amiga OS once and for all, and to push it forward
100%. What they ask from us is our support, if we agree then to send a message to
Amiga Inc. What harm do you think that can do ? Do you loose your dignity or something?
The fact that it is a news item may seem odd but I guess they really wanted our attention
this time. The moderators could easily have turned it into a normal discussion thread if
they wanted to. ( and I'm sure that happened before)

Why would AROS benefit from running on Efika, SAM, Minimig ? It's not like
AROS doesn't have hardware to run on. My laptop here works just fine with AROS.
Btw isn't AROS working on Classics already.

What AROS need is more bounty hunters and donors.

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Why would AROS benefit from running on Efika, SAM, Minimig ? It's not like AROS doesn't have hardware to run on. My laptop here works just fine with AROS. Btw isn't AROS working on Classics already. What AROS need is more bounty hunters and donors.

IMHO because Amiga is a hobbyist market, much smaller than Linux and I would guess if there is less that we would have to worry about various PC drivers the more time that could be spent or user experience improvements to the OS. Besides, people are very interested in Minimig, just look at at Amiga.org. It would seem many Amigans like custom hardware. If there were enough interested programmers in the first place to keep up with PC driver ports I think it would be a different story. But I'm certainly not against AROS natively on PC. I just wonder if further progress can be made more quickly on a limited number of platforms rather than the near limitless combinations that come with a PC.

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