@Thinkchip and Ikir

Are you discussing Secure Digital (SD) cards or Solid-state drive (SSD) ?

If SD then you might as well compare with USB flash drives as well.

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With AmigaOS on this puppy it is certainly a worthy replacement for all the MicroA1-C's out there. You can save hundreds of dollars on CR2032 batteries alone!

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I talked about both in my posts here SD as replacement for optical drive and SSD when become cheaper as replacement for HD. I have already an SSD on my SAM and my MacBook Pro.... i love them.

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Bring it on! White Box Notebook Chassis + Sam460ex + Memoright 128GB Solid State Disk Drive, well, one can only dream..

There has been no comment yet on the i²C & SPI/i²C buses. SPI refers to serial periferal interface. This is all about running selections, from thousands, of external low speed slave devices. Low speed may mean 2kHz to 100 or 400 kHz, possibly even 1 MHz if devices exist. Addressing appears to be an issue so the number of slaves could well be limited to 4 or 8. One can buy a card capable of running 20 slaves. Otherwise the protocols refered to are about control modes of the slave devices with reference to the clock, leading edge switching, trailing edge, simple 0 or 1 states or something else. So we can see where the serial port comes in on the features list, what else? Features are not specifications. Those have yet to come.

There is a theme here running through the three main AmigaOS capable hardware choices relating to control and sampling of external devices, whether household, workshop, hobby or industrial applications. The SAM flex includes a zigbee option but I have not heard of anyone using it. The SAM460ex may be an enlargement of this kind of approach. Is this a quite different set of protocols for much the same thing? The A1X1000 goes for XCore with all its possibilities the like of which we are only able to imagine, or maybe not. They all require interface software so we users can do something with them if we are so disposed. If we can buy something useful and control it through our machines without having to be geeks we will be disposed. Examples?

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@Ikir

Well, I use both SD-cards and USB in the same fashion, as easy portable extra storage.
And with my Eee, which does not have an optical drive, both are quite essential when you need to install an OS

SSD are good, but problem is atm that good and fast SSD drives cost a lot, and the situation vs harddrives feels a bit like scsi vs ide in the past. SCSI was best, but cost 2-3 times as much as IDE.

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@ssolie

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With AmigaOS on this puppy it is certainly a worthy replacement for all the MicroA1-C's out there. You can save hundreds of dollars on CR2032 batteries alone!

Rubbish, I've been using a microA1 for many years without ever replacing batteries. AFAIK only some XE's had that issue.

>The price wa at least 30% high unfortunately...

I think 300% is the price too high.
When sell such a board to other than OS4 Users then i think it should not cost more than 170 Eur (without taxes)

I guess the taxes are not in the 600 Euro price that is announce right ?
On germany such a board cost then 714 Eur(19% taxes)

there are lots Atom boards out from small factories that cost only 200 Eur and new Atom generation need less Watt, and the clock of Atom is higher, it have hyperthreading, have SIMD and is clocked at 1,6 GHZ upto 2 GHZ, have DDR2 667 mem and 512 kb 2. Level cache.Atom have 32 kb instruction Cache and 24 kb data Cache

460ex now have 2. levelcache of 256 kb, 32 kb instruction and 32 kb data cache.

http://www.appliedmicro.com/MyAMCC/jsp/public/productDetail/product_detail.jsp?productID=PPC460EX

the old SAM CPU have 64 kb instruction cache and 64 kb datacache and no 2. Level Cache.

because PPC code is bigger for do same functions as X86 so PPC need larger instruction caches, more mem bandwith to load missing instructions.

And its not clear for me if the 460ex is really noticibale faster /MHZ as the 440ep because of the smaller 1.Level Cache 460ex have.

hope they show blender or mplayer benchmarks soon.

but anyway, what reasons are here so a non OS4 user should buy such a board for this extrem high price, is the Question.

sure there is a FPGA, but have somebody see that on the old SAM this FPGA is used even with Linux ?

because Linux or other OS are more common in X86 there are more apps and more upto date Ports here and so a Linux dev have more easy live.

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@Bernd_afa
I think it's cheap........................ and I could backup my statement with nice arguments but I'm sure it would be 100% wasted on you since you seem to have no knowledge of how economies of scale works.

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the old SAM CPU have 64 kb instruction cache and 64 kb datacache and no 2. Level Cache.

??? Both 440EP and 460EX have the same L1 cache (32 kB instruction and 32 kB data cache).
Source: AMCC 440EP product Brief

I have changed the batteries on my A1G4XE 2-3 times since A1 was released. So its not like its hungry.

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@bernd_afa
We all have PCs, and we know how much they cost, and we also don't care.
Stop advocating the unreasonable, this is Amiga, we know what a low range brand new Amiga HW cost, and we'll soon know for sure how much a hi-end model cost (although a general idea is already in place), if you are not interested be our guest.

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@ bernd_afa

Isn't stating the obvious over and over again ignoring any reasonable counter arguments (wich are also obvious btw!) considerd trolling ??

Oh, and do you get extra points for getting abuse reports ? Just wondering because you seem to like them....

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Question for Acube:

will there be a case for the sam460ex, and a amiga keyboard and mous, like for the Amigaone x1000, I would love a sam460 myself becose I dont need the horsepower of the x1000, and the pricepoint is better for me on the sam460!

When will Matrox cards be supported?

Can you provide cheap USB Optical Drives with it?

Why not better PCI slot? Limits are so frustrating!

Otherwize good one

Will presale one as soon as possible!

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@ssolie Quote:With AmigaOS on this puppy it is certainly a worthy replacement for all the MicroA1-C's out there. You can save hundreds of dollars on CR2032 batteries alone! Rubbish, I've been using a microA1 for many years without ever replacing batteries. AFAIK only some XE's had that issue.

It was a joke, we were talking about the new Sam in IRC & I mentioned that it would be a nice replacement for my micro. He just through in the silly battery remark.

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With 2 USB 2.0 Ports, you can connect a massive amount of USB devices, and when I say massive amount, I mean you can connect to USB Hubs with dedicated power supply's.
So there is 8 Ports, or more right?

eBay search - External SATA HDD Enclosure, External IDE HDD Enclosure, External SATA CD-ROM Enclosure, External IDE CD-ROM Enclosure ---- all with USB 1.0 or 2.0 support.

USB 3.0 and SATA III - when available and supported, can be achieved, sometime in
the future also. These consume additional man hours and testing.

Now the following is all about possibility rather than, compatible, support for these would be possible, but that's the future and perhaps not right now.

an eBay search for "pci sata card" reveals prices as low as;

---LOW GRADE = $6.39---


---MID GRADE = $40-100---
#1 NEW VANTEC 6-PORT SATA II-150 PCI CARD W/ RAID 0,1,5
Features:

* Silicon Image Sil3114 SATA controller chip
* Compliant with PCI Specification, Rev. 2.3, 32bit, 33/66Mhz
* Compliant with Serial ATA 1.0 Specification
* Provides 4 independent channels to support up to 4 Serial ATA devices
* Supports RAID 0, 1, 5, 0+1, JBOD and Individual modes
* Supports SATA up to 150MBps

#2 SATA Serial ATA + USB + IDE + eSATA PCI Card (Lots 5)
* PCI Interface:33 MHz operation.
* Support PCI 2X mode and PCI native mode.
* Compliant with PCI specification 2.2.

* 1 internal IDE port:Single channel master mode hard disk controller supports two enhanced IDE devices.
* Redefined Bus Master Programming interface for IDE controllers to support up to four bus masters in a single function
* Extension to Ultra DMA-133 interface for up to 133MB/s transfer rate.
* Complies with ATA/ATAPI-6.

* 1 external eSATA port & 1 internal SATA port:Serial ATA (SATA) Host Controller chip with 32-bit interface.
* Compliant with Serial ATA 1.0 specification.
* Support data transfer rates up to 1.5Gb/s.

* 4 external USB ports:Support high speed data transfer rates up to 480 MBPS, 12Mbps, and 1.5Mbps.
* Supports up to 127 devices.
* Support hot-swap and wake-up.PCI Interface:33 MHz operation.
* Support PCI 2X mode and PCI native mode.
* Compliant with PCI specification 2.2.

* 1 internal IDE port:Single channel master mode hard disk controller supports two enhanced IDE devices.
* Redefined Bus Master Programming interface for IDE controllers to support up to four bus masters in a single function
* Extension to Ultra DMA-133 interface for up to 133MB/s transfer rate.
* Complies with ATA/ATAPI-6.

* 1 external eSATA port & 1 internal SATA port:Serial ATA (SATA) Host Controller chip with 32-bit interface.
* Compliant with Serial ATA 1.0 specification.
* Support data transfer rates up to 1.5Gb/s.

* 4 external USB ports:Support high speed data transfer rates up to 480 MBPS, 12Mbps, and 1.5Mbps.
* Supports up to 127 devices.
* Support hot-swap and wake-up.

---HIGH GRADE = $200.00 - $4,000.00+---
LOL, these are mind boggling. So many expansions its crazy!

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This is a minor point:

> Serial port, 8-wires

It is good to see this specified, even if nobody *expects* to use a serial port in 2010. (I still do.)

Congrats on the new hardware announcement, ACube!

@Metalheart

>Isn't stating the obvious over and over again ignoring any reasonable counter >arguments (wich are also obvious btw!) considerd trolling ??

No, this is a new product and i have not written to 460ex board before and when this board maybe cost 250 Euro i write thats good.

but as many here tell the specs of this 460ex boards are not very usefull for OS4.
So it seem it should sell outsite this market.

also nobody here have written a argument, wy a non OS4 user should pay 600 Eur for this board, because there are lots diffrent X86 or ARM solution around that give in my point of view a better price /power.

OS4 user need more than 64 MB and at least a second SATA2 Port should here.
so its clear this should more sell outsite the OS4 market because the GFX Chip can for OS4 remove and for this can then add another SATA2 Port on this now free PCIe lane

i write only about X86 because i know prices and X86 is not so popular as ARM in embedded market.

that Amiga OS future should be on diffrent HW have some reasons Ben Hermans told years ago.

But are this reasons valid for this PPC embedded board that should sell outside OS4 Market and must do head to head competition with other Hardware that can run Linux ?

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http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulators/hyperionblast.html

The reason is simple: why would a software company invest money in porting its software to another x86 OS when it knows people can also boot into Windows or run an «emulator» like Wine or VMWare which allows you to run Windows software under Linux x86 at near native speeds? The costs could never be recuperated through sales.

The result is clear: nobody is buying any product for Linux. A major, brand-new game-title can at best expect to sell a few thousand copies on Linux and several tens of thousands on Mac. Plus on Linux x86 you need to keep your pricing in line with the Windows version (without having the benefits of the economies of scale that the Windows market offers) otherwise you will provide even more incentive for people to buy Windows products.

Linux x86 is currently relegated to the status of a Windows add-on with a lot of software (like the Corel products and media-players) just working on Linux x86 because it uses Windows code in some way or another.

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Mac OS X could be brought to x86 relatively easily. The core of Mac OS X already runs on x86 but there isn’t a hair on Steve Jobs’ head that thinks about giving up his nicely insulated niche-market in favor of head to head competition with Windows on the same hardware. Apple wants its developers to stay in business so they can keep Apple’s users happy by providing them with software not available on other platforms.
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