should that be funny? If yes you must mark it that people understand you

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I had a free version of Real 3D some 20 years ago on a coverdisk, i hope Realsoft will send me version 9 for free asap, otherwise i'd feel robbed.

and i bought real3d back in the day and didnt feel robbed when realsoft made available their amiga versions for free including distribution in olafs aros vision package. they never took the offer back.

AeonKit is attempting to make a viable buissniss platform on what many consider a hobby platform.
"Viable" means that there eventually have to be a balance between the money SPENT/Invested and money coming in.

Im sure users will be able to find tons of copies of Personal Paint, Brilliance 2 and Deluxe Paint for free with a few searches on the internet.

Im not so sure AeonKit is misjudging the "community". Yes, there are some that wants everything for free, and some that are willing to support the few "serious" vendors/developers left.
That doesnt mean I dont appriciate and praise the ones willing to work for free, but its not a viable if you have plans to develop several aspects like;

Radeon Drivers
Libre Office
Personal Paint
Sketchblock
New PPC hardware (to a quite expensive pricetag) with software drivers needed for that
Run the Amigakit shop with employees

And Im sure Im missing stuff on that list.

But I do realise that some aspects of this topic we will never agree on.

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And I kinda found Nibunnoichi's comment funny, since it somewhat resonates with what I think about this discussion.

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and i bought real3d back in the day and didnt feel robbed when realsoft made available their amiga versions for free including distribution in olafs aros vision package. they never took the offer back.

Well, that's their choice. If they're done with development and support and aren't seeing any sales, it's nice of them to make it freely available. If they took that away tomorrow when they suddenly released an updated version, would you be mad at them? You shouldn't be because they had no obligation to provide that software for free.

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Aye, I guess I lumped it together since you seem to work well with AeonKit on different aspects, but I stand corrected

Can you give me 5 reminders of how the Amiga community " understands " it

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I am rather disappointed... you and Amigakit seem to have lost the undertanding of the community

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I had a free version of Real 3D some 20 years ago on a coverdisk, i hope Realsoft will send me version 9 for free asap, otherwise i'd feel robbed.

Now you're turning this upside down. Nobody has said that new versions shouldn't be paid for.

I'm happy that new versions come and no problem to pay for them, but it's how that old free version was handled. Afterall it's a one program which may attract people to use Amigas, but now it'll be more hidden and harder to find and obtain, and I don't think it's a good thing for the community and even for the sales of the new versions.

It's more like that you'd be asked to send that 20 years old coverdisk back because you're not allowed to install from it anymore, and you must invest some more money to your 20 years old computer to get this free 20 years old software reinstalled, but you'll only get it by the hard route on very selected systems you might not even own. It's still free, but your own expenses aren't covered.

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On the subject of real-world applications like Adobe PS - how is LibreOffice coming along? Am sure am not the only one getting excited about this office package.

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So many cheap-skates! Something for nothing... c'mon really that world doesn't exist.

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Yes and if not commodore killed the Amiga, i am sure Cheap-skates and pirate people would in the end.

This is a fresh start, to easy be able to pay developers again.

Great to see that PPaint will be developed further for 68k and now for AmigaOS 4.1 as well. Hope to see more 68k serious apps to run native under PPC Amiga systems in the future.

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Now you're turning this upside down. Nobody has said that new versions shouldn't be paid for.

my comment was directed at nibunnoichi in his attempt at humour:

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I had a free version of Real 3D some 20 years ago on a coverdisk, i hope Realsoft will send me version 9 for free asap, otherwise i'd feel robbed.

no. if there was a free release future versions do not need to be necessarily be free. but withdrawing a long available free version as an initial contribution even in prospect of possible future development isnt a sympathetic things to do.

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If they took that away tomorrow when they suddenly released an updated version, would you be mad at them? You shouldn't be because they had no obligation to provide that software for free.

realsoft made their choice. it was welcome. im not sure they may change their mind a posteriori. but they did not. if they did, it wouldnt be welcome. simple as that.

So what entitles us to free stuff all the time?

I dont MIND getting free stuff, hell, I even appriciate it. But I dont feel entitled to it either.

One of the "problems" is the store, who need a digital store on the amiga? from a real amiga user point of view is not very useful...

I can see that point. You have people that love and hate Steam for example on Wintel/Linux.

Then it comes down to; do you need the software they are offering? If no, then it doesnt matter.

If you want the software, then the store is a easy access point. Not as easy aminet, I agree, but from the perspective of a BUISSNISS its a reasonable trade off between userfriendliness and maximising hits on your storefront.

There are pros and cons to it obviously.

Case in point; steam. I enjoy it. Its simple to use, easy to buy and download stuff. Reformat my Systemdrive? Reinstall Steam, start the library download of the games I want reinstalled and go outside for a few hours. Come back with everything reinstalled.

Then you got those software companies that doesnt release thru steam; Blizzard for example.

Ofcourse when the AmigaStore was released it had TONS of bugs and flaws. Its really in AeonKits intrest to make it as simplestupid as possible; Steam being the perfect scale imho.

And with regards to "real amigas". I got A1200/030 and the current version is even runnable on a 060 according to Matthew. There are plans of a scale down version of AmigaStore to better run on low end Classical hardware.

The older 7.1c archive will be available to download from the official PPaint website:

http://ppaint.amistore.net

This domain is still in the process of propogating with DNS servers around the world so it wont be available everywhere until during the next 24-48 hours

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Amistore is or will be available for real amigas i know but im sure that exist more amigas offline than online, jpv explain it perfect some post ago.

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With the link Amigakit provided above, the case of PP seems like a moot point.

But that aside; if a good AmigaStore is made for Classic users, then emulation using PCs are a good option.

Espesially considering your comment "Today you can download X program from aminet or any site with the PC/mac, save it to a floppy, SD or whatever and install it on the amiga".
Using Emulation seems like a viable option for most of us.

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Yes... considering my comment, why change PP from aminet to amistore? aminet is easy, have dozens of mirrors, dont need to register, accesible from any device, etc, etc

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The older 7.1c archive will be available to download from the official PPaint website: http://ppaint.amistore.net This domain is still in the process of propogating with DNS servers around the world so it wont be available everywhere until during the next 24-48 hours

That's great! Then there is no problem at all. Hundreds of worried posts on several forums for the last 24 hours might have been avoided if you made this clear in the original press release... Captain Hindsight to the rescue

I still think it would be proper to put up some kind of reference in biz/cloan/ on Aminet to direct people to your WWW so new and returning Amigans looking for PPaint would know where to obtain old and new versions of the software.

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