Nice work Wegster

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Something similar was planned for a non-competing site I'd been working on for some time. This time through, many community members actually pushed this, I just nagged Davey and worded it all together. It's up to the project owners to decide if it will be of use to them and us.

They can, of course, include donation links in the Project threads...considering a $40 USD donation to the first project posted for a currently available software project...hmm. (although it will have to be after Dec 1st, I'm broke! %-( )

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Good idea, something that of the kind that has been needed for some time.
May also help in reducing "reinventing of the wheel" a bit and may encourage collaboration.
Will these projects threads show up on the front page "recent discussions"?

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Seems we have a winner

Jahc!

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Yep. Wave that cash, and see who comes out

S'ok, I've made several wookiechat donations in the past, but was due for another, anyways

(Jahc was the first project posted, with WookieChat)

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Yes, hopefully when people might want to 'debate' on who said what, there will be an official project thread to refer to for 'the facts' as stated by the project developers and/or company, in a single location.

The threads _will_ show up in 'recent topics' and probably should, IMO, as if unlike some other threads, their topics should be self-evident with the project name in it, so people can easily see when an update may have been made..

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Ahh, seems we're in need of a new icon, if anyone is feeling particularly motivated?

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This is a very good initiative.

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Nice ideia wegster.
I might even participate on this forum.
I have a few ideias and desires that i have to discuss with the rest of the 'gang'.

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I like this idea!

Hmm, another idea - how about giving the "project owners" an exclusive right to moderate their own project threads? Is it technically possible? What would the pros/cons be (note, as many probably know, I am not a big enthusiast of moderation myself)?

Also, some threads will become very long after some time (look at the mini-mig thread at amiga.org for example), but at least the information will be collected in one place and in chronologic order.

Great idea

BTW: is it possible to move this thread of mine to the new forum?

saimo

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Hmm, another idea - how about giving the "project owners" an exclusive right to moderate their own project threads? Is it technically possible? What would the pros/cons be (note, as many probably know, I am not a big enthusiast of moderation myself)?

That was actually the original plan on a site I'd been working on for some time, to allow 'project owners' to basically run everything within their project, and share announcements and relevant links/info, etc with AW (and elsewhere), and keep the 'forum posts' at sites, so as to not 'compete' in any way with existing sites. That project is currently mostly done, but basically 'on hold' due to RL, as well as some server issues at the moment, so will be adapted to not 'compete' with this project forum, but hopefully to enhance it and provide other needed things for projects and devs.

Unfortunately, within the framework of xoops (let alone the ancient version we run at AW currently), it's not easy to accomplish the above, although ideal. The permissions system with respect to 'moderators' is basically on a per forum basis, with no provisions for per thread. We may be able to put together something to allow this (moderator list per thread) within only the projects forum. One issue there is that some developers or project members may not _want_ to moderate their project threads, and the goal here is ease of givning/receiving information, not to make them into micro-managers Of course, some/most may turn out to _want_ to be able to do this, and we may yet look into this as an option. Or as another option, they may want rights to do so, but not deal with the daily issues of removing off-topic posts into their project threads, so have Staff do that, but otherwise handle their own thread.

xoops has another 'nicety' to it currently. If you delete a post in the middle of a thread, it wants to/will delete all 'child' posts as well, making it difficult to remove something from the middle. This is pretty fubar, but should be able to be worked around, as it's basically a borked linked list of sorts.

The pros in 'self-moderation' of projects:
- No one peeing in their sandbox. No off-topic, no trolling, at their discretion.
- less AW Staff required interaction. We know ya love us and all, but.. Seriously, the less 'excessive' interaction here, would be better. Some projects may want any and all comments, while others may be wanting only specific types of posts, so we'd like for _them_ to be able to decide for themselves, and/or be able to clean up after for example, a long set of posts on bugs, that were subsequently fixed, so can remove them ans simply add a single summary post in covering those.

cons:
- more time spent on 'housekeeping' by project owners.
- have to make the call on off-topic, trolling, etc, and they may prefer to have users dislike AW Staff instead
- some fairly significant code rework of xoops.

That's off the top of my head anyways, suggestions and comments or additions are certainly welcome...we pretty much expect this to evolve a bit over time, as well as clarifying how things _should_ work, as we see additional projects come onboard.

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Also, some threads will become very long after some time (look at the mini-mig thread at amiga.org for example), but at least the information will be collected in one place and in chronologic order.

Yep. That will certainly force the need to rewrite the thread editing/deletion code. Although in this case, compared to the *huge* minimig thread, much of the minimig thread is off-topic, people posting, 'I love you' or "I don't believe you" type posts, which isn't the goal here as much as to provide a single location for project owners to post factual info, and to help users as they have problems, or report bugs, etc. Of course, some project owners may prefer amore 'freeform' format, which is OK _IF_ they ask for it, but will require more 'hosekeeping' over time.

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I might even participate on this forum.

Please do. Any AmigaOS or potential AmigaOS projects are welcome.

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BTW: is it possible to move this thread of mine to the new forum?

Yes. Please edit the first post topic to include the project name, and in your case, 'help wanted' or similar, eg, "uniVersus- cross platform game needs gfx help" and we'll move it. Actually, will move now, but please update summary and topic as you're able.

PS - good luck on the project, I looked at the web site, and looks like a lot of work has gone into it!

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Yes. Please edit the first post topic to include the project name, and in your case, 'help wanted' or similar, eg, "uniVersus- cross platform game needs gfx help" and we'll move it. Actually, will move now, but please update summary and topic as you're able.

Thanks. Done. I hope it's OK now.

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PS - good luck on the project, I looked at the web site, and looks like a lot of work has gone into it!

Started back in December 2004... and I definitely sweated a lot on it! The demo will give you a better idea
(Sorry for the OT.)

saimo

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What a great idea!

I'll give it a go.

Edit - Contributed.

Any chance that when you edit the initial post you dont get the edited messages
appearing? Otherwise as it is updated it will become full of them!

Perhaps just a single last updated line would be a good idea? (If possible)

Cheers,
Bean.

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Unfortunately, within the framework of xoops (let alone the ancient version we run at AW currently), it's not easy to accomplish the above, although ideal. The permissions system with respect to 'moderators' is basically on a per forum basis, with no provisions for per thread.

Hmm, maybe a central "Developer Project Forum" *forum category*, and under that, one forum for each project, coupled with one "user category" for each project as well? That way, admin rights could be set quite easily for each project (also user rights (local "ban" possibilities )), and each project could have more than one thread (sometimes one single subject may not be enough, when discussions gets forked?), its own little icon on the front page, etc.

The result would be a whole lot of forums, but if the database can handle it, then it would more be about dealing with the forum listings in a clever way.

But maybe things shouldn't be more complicated than they already are? I like the thought of the forum as it is, and I am only brainstorming here anyway!

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Hmm, maybe a central "Developer Project Forum" *forum category*, and under that, one forum for each project, coupled with one "user category" for each project as well? That way, admin rights could be set quite easily for each project (also user rights (local "ban" possibilities )), and each project could have more than one thread (sometimes one single subject may not be enough, when discussions gets forked?), its own little icon on the front page, etc.

Thought about doing that one as well, but right now that would mean shortly the main page with the categories and forum listings would scroll endlessly soon enough (or, we hope projects will use it, making that happen, anyways ) We could 'hide' the Project Forum's sub-forums with a bit of work, while new project threads and updates will still show in recent threads/topic lists, etc, but it seems better off, at least at first glance, to fix the moderator and editing issues to allow for easier cleanup by either Staff or a project owner.

We may change the 'rules' a bit as we go along and figure out what's easiest/best for people. One option might be for 2 or so project threads, one for 'just the facts, maam' and a second for QnA/help etc. Some projects may also be large enough that they contain several components, that warrant their own project thread for each component..

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But maybe things shouldn't be more complicated than they already are? I like the thought of the forum as it is, and I am only brainstorming here anyway!

s'ok, we fully expect to have to make some 'adjustments' along the way, so the feedback is useful..it's by no means a 'perfect solution' as it is, but it should be useful 'as is' for now, and with some time, hopefully we'll manage to improve on the annoynaces (eg, long threads with bugs that have been fixed, etc).

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as long as the intent is to run on AmigaOS, including OS4

With that in mind, wouldn't the new forum be better placed under the "Next Gen" section?

It's quite a long way down the list of fora otherwise, and could easily be overlooked, especially by newcomers when new hardware does eventually arrive.

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