It might be an idea if you include a short text to describe just what AfA actually is.

I would have to download and unarchive it to find out from this news story.

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You don't know?

In short, it's a set of libraries that are backported from AROS (alternative Amiga-like system) to classic Amiga OS3.x.

Features:
* speeds up your OS3.x system
* brings new skin system for system windows
* allows you to use images with alpha channel
* displays 32bit OS4 icons on your desktop (as well as PNG and DualPNG icons)
* speeds up the icon loading more than 10 times
* allows you to use ZUNE (the MUI alternative)
* and much more...

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Thank you

Updated the news item a bit.

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Wow, I´ll try it as son as I can.

By the way, does this version all the windows images implemented (MUI, DOpus, ReAction) like VisualPrefs?

Any way. Great update

Afa OS was used to thrash my newicons, not displaying them correctly, when installed on AmigaSys 4. I'll see if this one fixes my issue.

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What are the requirements?
AOS3.1?
AOS2.1?
68000? 25Mhz?


I found AFA project here:
http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/afaupload.php

Is that the AFA "main" site?

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This is link what AFA is.

http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/afa.html

Sadly no AOS source here so AFA is not a offical AOS.It is a very compatible AOS enhancement with most needed modern features and no future limits and can run very fast thur 68k and winuae and modern Computers.

Because i have no AOS source, i use AOS binaries and replace only functions that need change.this is of course more work than have the source.

but when i see Hyperion versus ainc there seem no owner of AOS source here.since months no activity.is it now legal to do everything with AOS source ?.I dont see that ainc give a licence to Hyperion so they can sell it for Peg2 and SAM.
if so maybe somebody can release it.I dont understand what they now do and what a Stipulation and Order mean.

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/

>By the way, does this version all the windows images implemented (MUI, DOpus, >ReAction) like VisualPrefs?

no, because i still wait for the info from MCP source how this is done.there is also no new MCP release that gadtools Gadgets use AFA skin.

>What are the requirements?
>AOS3.1?
>AOS2.1?
>68000? 25Mhz?

minimum is OS3.1 and a 68020 fpu with FPU and a gfx card is usefull.
but it work too on AGA, but make not much sense to use it here

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@bernd_afa

Thank you for the information.

Great to see that there is development in the 68k branch of Amiga !
(perhaps I manage to try afa on my A4k & EUAE boxes)



(and perhaps we one day see minimig2 and natami in production to carry the native 68k torch)

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>is it now legal to do everything with AOS source ?

No. But you can try it, of course.

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AmigaOS4.1 is a excellent product you shuld try it,

If ZUNE was ported to AmigaOS4.1 then that OS4 devlopers might help in improving ZUNE.

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@bernd_afa

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>By the way, does this version all the windows images implemented (MUI, DOpus, >ReAction) like VisualPrefs? no, because i still wait for the info from MCP source how this is done.there is also no new MCP release that gadtools Gadgets use AFA skin.

Why don´t you try to contact Massimo Tantignone (VisualPrefs autor), his program patches all the images including the iconify button of shell_vnc.

Sadly his page doesn´t seem to work but you can see it with it´s mail via
http://web.archive.org/web/20071218225601/http://home.intercom.it/~amigaws/

Please one direct link to the lha file with the new AfA_OS! And good job guys.

Great! Nice to see things progressing...

BTW, is this "issue" (Link to a older message) still happening? It seems that nobody read that old thread after I posted the message...

@bernd_afa
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but when i see Hyperion versus ainc there seem no owner of AOS source here.since months no activity.is it now legal to do everything with AOS source ?.I dont see that ainc give a licence to Hyperion so they can sell it for Peg2 and SAM. if so maybe somebody can release it.I dont understand what they now do and what a Stipulation and Order mean. http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/

I don't really see the connection of the texte I quoted with the news commented here, however what I see is another opportunity for you to turn your nose up at Hyperion because of your frustration of not being able to own/use AmigaOS 4.x...
Personnaly I would not say there is no activity since months on the AmigaOS 4.x front because having AmigaOS 4.1 ported for SAM and then for PegasosII in less then 6 months is for me indication of *huge* activity.
If on the other hand you are referring to the fact that nothing appeared on the washington case web page then that's normal because a protective order has been granted which makes everything to be dealt *privately*. Maybe you should read your own links before trying to falsely imply erroneous things...

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@emavys

>Why don´t you try to contact Massimo Tantignone (VisualPrefs autor), his program >patches all the images including the iconify button of shell_vnc.

i have ask him, but i get no answer.He is involved in OS4.
I think thats same problem, i think many from OS4 side see all AOS non OS4 as enemy.All other OS should die and all shoould buy OS4 so Hyperion make enough money so that OS4 develop can continue. There is no Spirit of Linux here so developer support to port software to other systems.

@nutsaboutamiga
>If ZUNE was ported to AmigaOS4.1 then that OS4 devlopers might help in improving >ZUNE.

zune is portet to OS4.there is OS4 Code and lots #ifdefs in zune source.
Sebastian Bauer have done this(he have done most on zune in the past before he go to OS4).But he do not help on zune in last year as far i know, or release it for OS4

@abalaban

>If on the other hand you are referring to the fact that nothing appeared on the >washington case web page then that's normal because a protective order has >been granted which makes everything to be dealt *privately*.

yes i only mean the washington case web page.but ok, if a stipulation order say that all activity is hidden then its clear that cant read on page.

BTW:

Who was the initiator that all should not go to public ?

Does Hyperion suggest this or ainc sugesst this ?

>I see is another opportunity for you to turn your nose up at Hyperion because of >your frustration of not being able to own/use AmigaOS 4.x...

i dont want use OS4 so ainc and Hypeiron get no cent from me.I miss many features in OS4 that have AFA.and i can fix Bugs soon and need not wait long time, or when my hardware get damage, i can be happy, because i can buy everywhere a faster Hardware.

I realy dislike if there are announcements that are not reach, or reach very late.

This in 1 demotivate other do a better AOS, because they think ey the announcements are really good, i better should save time and use OS4 instead spend work on AROS.if OS4 is not good enough then wait until it is good enough.but what if it never get good enough as announced ?.1 less user that do for amoga Software.

But on the other side the long delay show that Hyperion are lame and no good OS developer.

Announcements of Features that appear too late kill the motivation of most to use AOS.

Ainc want buy back OS4 after it is not shown in cebit 2003.I also dont know if the money ainc send to Hypeiron is stay by Hypeiron or they have send back to ainc.

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@bernd_afa

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i think many from OS4 side see all AOS non OS4 as enemy.All other OS should die

Conspiration theory ? Maybe the only reason is that being involved in OS4 which is a commercial product they can't, as insiders and probably with written NDAs, work on other similar OSes... Exactly like it is with my day job : I'm not allowed to work on similar projects for other companies...

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Who was the initiator that all should not go to public ? Does Hyperion suggest this or ainc sugesst this ?

To my knowledge it was Ainc.

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I miss many features in OS4 that have AFA

Yes and those many features are... ?

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when my hardware get damage, i can be happy, because i can buy everywhere a faster Hardware

If I'm not mistaking doesn't AfA for Classic Amiga machines ? So where can you buy faster A1200, A4000 etc. ?

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Ainc want buy back OS4 after it is not shown in cebit 2003.I also dont know if the money ainc send to Hypeiron is stay by Hypeiron or they have send back to ainc.

And again this has nothing to do with what we were speaking about. Another way for you to spread FUD again.

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@AmiKit:

Yes I totally agree that's what I tried to tell to bernd without success so far : what Hyperion's capacity (or not) and AmigaOS 4.x quality (or not) has to do with AfA's release ??? Anyway he's still bringing back this subject again and again... Maybe to try maximize AfA by taking down AOS 4.x ??

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>Conspiration theory ? Maybe the only reason is that being involved in OS4 which is >a commercial product they can't, as insiders and probably with written NDAs, work >on other similar OSes..

they should not work on it, it is enough if they can give me a E-mail address so i can write to the original Author that leave amiga long time ago and i guess he doesnt care that for example magic menu source is only for OS4 devs available and not opensource or other devs can get information how this old code work.

its sad that i start AFA so late, because i believe the announces of Hyperion.Now since 2005- 2006 the E-Mail adresses of original Author of MCP is not avilable, also from magic menu.the OS4 side, or OS4 users grab many sources from devs that leave amiga and i think they have no intreseting that only OS4 have this sources and not other amiga systems.

so there cant be a reason wy not share MCP or magicmenu source

>If I'm not mistaking doesn't AfA for Classic Amiga machines ? So where can you >buy faster A1200, A4000 etc. ?

you can use every PC or mac with UAE.
if you boot OS4 and use linux soft in amicygnix or port Linux soft or windows soft or run a port is also possible.to be usefull cound only how fast this work

and on X86 PC with more than real 1,8 real GHZ outperform the emulator in image, videoprocessing, audioprocessing and games a native aone PPC with G4 900 MHZ.

So if native or not is only if you want a native system and it doesnt matter if the native system is slower than emulate.if emulate too slow, it is also possible that native code can write with SSE support multicore etc.

So 68k is to actual system, it allow multicore programs too.

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>Yes and those many features are... ?

there many graphical debuggers here on 68k.

more winuae running simulatoanios support full memprotect of AOS program usefull when debug.

hardware is faster and cheaper, and thats the most important point for me.
Wy should i use OS4, loose much compatibility,must change programs and at end it run only on slow and expensive Hardware.

I like old 68k Soft as photogenics and amiblitz and my musicsoft.all run not on OS4 very fast.PPC is a slow CPU have only 1 GHZ, so loose much speed.and the SAM HW with slow ram access and no 2.level cache is also slow.and when emulate is more slow.if OS4 offer not important features that cant reach with 68k, so wy i should buy a extra OS4 HW ?.

see the OWB peacemaker benchmarks in compare to SAM and aone.

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