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Software News   Software News : Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and Amiga-like systems.
   posted by spotUP on 19-Mar-2012 1:03:39 (12306 reads)
There has been a fair amount of talk recently about unity and co-operation between all of the Amiga camps (OS3, OS4, AROS and MorphOS). Many of us are tired of the divisions that cause many arguments and slow down progess. What we'd like to see is more co-operation between developers and users, just like we had in the good old days.

We now have an opportunity to make progress with this, by supporting the bounty that will open-source the well known and popular Directory Opus Magellan 2 desktop environment.

Read more...


The bounty is hosted on the Power2People website, which has consistently proven to be trustworthy. Here is a direct link to the bounty:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64



The purpose of the bounty is to collect sufficient funds to purchase the source code of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (version 5.82, AmigaOS) for free use on Amiga (and Amiga-like) systems, under the AROS Public License, a derivative of the Mozilla Public License 1.1.

The bounty will be completed when $5600 USD has been raised (now we have 1700, 3900 still left), which gives enough money to meet the price GPSoftware has set for the release of the program source code to a public SVN repository.

So what will the release of the Directory Opus Magellan II source code mean? Firstly, we will have the sources of one of the best pieces of classic Amiga software ever created, free for any Amiga fan to use.

Secondly, as the program will be open-source, developers from all of the Amiga camps will be free to work on a common desktop environment, progressing the cause of unity between us.

Here's is a summary of the benefits, by separate platform, and in total:

--AROS--
Wanderer is the main desktop environment for AROS, but it's still in the early stages of maturity. Having Directory Opus Magellan will give AROS users a mature desktop environment they can use straight away. This takes the pressure away from Wanderer, as well as giving another choice for AROS users.

--AmigaOS4--
Whilst Workbench on OS4 is more polished than Wanderer on AROS, there are still some gaps in functionality that Directory Opus Magellan would be able to fill. Worth noting that, when the sources are available in the public SVN, there is already some os4 devs who want to plays with, exploring what is necessary to port it to OS4.

--MorphOS--
Ambient is the most advanced of all Amiga desktop environments, but there are still nice features found in Directory Opus Magellan II that aren't yet found in Ambient. Porting should be easy as the 68k version already works in MorphOS. To see how it looks running in MorphOS, check out jPV's tutorial

--OS3--
Even though official support for OS3 has stopped, there are still plenty of people interested in it, as well as unofficial addons/hacks. It is clear that there will be much interest in having updates to Directory Opus Magellan as well.

---The bigger picture: Progressing together---
The ports to the separate platforms are only the start of the story. The best news is any improvements made to this software will benefit everyone. Magellan II is great now for those that run it, but having access to the sources means we can make it even better for _ALL_ amiga and amiga like oses.



Short FAQ:

Q: Why are we spending money on this when we can improve our own software instead? Isn't it easier to implement more features in AmigaOS than to spend money replacing it?
A: We don't have many developers, and those we do have are too busy with their own projects to start making a cross-platform desktop. Directory Opus Magellan will be a great way to get this done quickly. Also, the work to improve AmigaOS wouldn't transfer to other Amiga platforms, whereas this work would.

Q: Isn't this software really outdated? Look at those ugly icons!
A: It is no problem at all to replace the icons. As for the age of the software, even MorphOS users that have access to Ambient still sometimes use Directory Opus Magellan. AROS and AmigaOS4 users should enjoy having access to such feature-rich software, with many features not available in their current desktop choices (Workbench, Wanderer or Scalos).

Q: Why is it so much money?
A: $5600 USD sounds like a lot of money for one person, but if we all work together, little by little we can raise the necessary funds.

Q: Who will port it to [insert OS of choice]?
A: Porting software is much easier in comparison with writing software from scratch, pretty much any developer can do it sooner or later. A few developers have already expressed an interest in starting the porting work.

Q: This bounty will only open up the source code, why is this such a good thing?
A: Apart from the chance to port Magellan to all Amiga platforms, it also gives us the chance to improve it.

Q: If we don't reach the bounty target, can we reuse the money elsewhere?
A: Up until the point the target is reached, you always have the choice to receive a refund for the money you've donated.

Q: Has anyone signed a contract with GPSoftware, ensuring that the money we donate will be handled correctly?
A: Power2People are the organisation handling the donations, and have proved themselves to be trustworthy, even with larger sums of money.

So let's reach into our wallets, and show we really want to support unity in the Amiga community, bringing ourselves a great piece of software in the process. Here's the bounty link again:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/64

We already collect 1/3. We can do it for real !

Thank you all.
    

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Re: Real Unity: Directory Opus Magellan II for all Amiga and
Posted on 19-Mar-2012 9:42:29
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@everyone

Just to repeat one more time : its not only about amimgaos. Its about all amiga oses and amigaos too. If some of you see no need to have one more software (which icons can b very easy repainted, and looks can be very easy canged by simly adding of new tags like) on amigaos, then think about it as about help for AROS , in which we all should be interested, as its only one os which will never die becaus of any legality/holders problems and decissinos. Think about it as its really unity, not only talks on forums which some of you start all the time every month. Think about it as "more the better".

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If you have problems with paypal, feel free to send me webmoney / moneybookers / or whatever in serbia works and can be converted to russian e-currency, and i will convert it and send from my paypal acc.

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@kas1e: trusty russian-serbian connection? :D
the comments show not much insight so far. comparing class action or amidisk to dopus? well. if it even was was doscontrol vs opus4. im not sure if this is going to take off, but i will consider to put something in it, as soon as i have anything like pp up and running again. because its you. thanks for coordination!

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@nexus

no i am not telling people to stay away from donating to this project, what i am saying is that there has been 3 attempts in the past and nothing came out of it (as in, there's still no DopusMAG2 on OS4).

and as i said, i LOVE dopusMAG2, i still have it on my cd32 sx1 and on my classic Miggy.


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I am sure bounty will be finished soon or later, just will be better if soon, as i can at least try to do something with with help of some others who active today. We have a bunch of icon painters, so it will be trivial to replace icons. And whole looks can be changed just by adding simply tags like "newlook" or how the called not so remember now (but i use them already some time ago, to make some old app looks better). Changing of fonts is also trivial. So there is no stop-factors to make it looks tasty.


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@Toaks
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no i am not telling people to stay away from donating to this project, what i am saying is that there has been 3 attempts in the past and nothing came out of it (as in, there's still no DopusMAG2 on OS4).


Its not there because amiga programmers like to be lazy and tryint to do everything alone, and fear to ask help. That is reasson of fail of any amiga projects = ego + no time.

When it will be opensourced, i am sure porting will be done soon or later. At least we all can try. Or can not try, and continue to remember how bad guru-mediation was when they can't finish the port :)


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@kas1e:
id, let it keep its basic looks just allow for skinning, dont you think?
btw, as i said: as soon i can figure a way to donate without too much hassle. have to ask p2p as i have some other bounties in a pipeline i actually should donate to.

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id, let it keep its basic looks just allow for skinning, dont you think?

Sure that all can be discussd and coming to right choices when we will have sources.

Quote:

btw, as i said: as soon i can figure a way to donate without too much hassle. have to ask p2p as i have some other bounties in a pipeline i actually should donate to.

What kind of e-currency popular in serbia ? I am sure there should be some convertor to popular in russia "web-money" (i mean then i can help easy, as i have few kind of purpses , like paypal, webmoney and some not so popular ones as well , like yandex-money)


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What kind of e-currency popular in serbia ?

im polish, remember? living in germany.. euro. and im not sure about those e currencies, iv just quited pp for some reason, might see back to it.

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@kas1e:

What do you get for the $5600? It sounds like a trivial sum to me. Why is it so low?

Has anyone seen the sources, to see if they are in a usable state?

Are they in assembler or C or C++? Can they be used as they are or will porters have to rewrite the whole thing from scratch?

What compiler/assembler was used twenty years ago? Is it still available?

How much will the source have to be edited just to make it compile with gcc and the current SDK?

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What do you get for the $5600? It sounds like a trivial sum to me. Why is it so low?

not bad an attempt.;) might be granted another chance.

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What do you get for the $5600? It sounds like a trivial sum to me. Why is it so low?


For 2 reassons: 1) ppls fear it will be not ported to os of their choice, expectually to os4, because programmers of guru-mediations can't do it by any of reassons 2) its looks very outdated. Both are not worth to worring, as for 1) we can together to all what need to do, and for 2) we have a lot of painters, all can be done fast in terms of look.

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Has anyone seen the sources, to see if they are in a usable state?

Are they in assembler or C or C++?


I didn't see the sourcs, but gpsoft say that almost everything on C, only very small parts on assemler which can be easy replaced.

Quote:

Can they be used as they are or will porters have to rewrite the whole thing from scratch?


For sure some parts need to be rewriten. That pretty understanable.

Quote:

What compiler/assembler was used twenty years ago? Is it still available?


As it mostly in C, its not so matter in what C it was done, as it can be transfered to GCC with no problems. There of course can be some bits which need to rewrite here and here (like "lvalue requered operand" problems), but its all easy fixable.

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How much will the source have to be edited just to make it compile with gcc and the current SDK?


I do not know, and no one know. For sure there will need to do some work. It will not simply "recompile" 100%, as will need to change all those includes, rewrite some parts, fix , fill the bug reports and so on : all as usuall.

But when we will have source, we can do all of this, not just talk about what we can or not can to do. We even can try to contatc guru mediation once we will have sources, and will have problems with them : they maybe will share something what they do (if anything).

I remember, they say that port was already complited, only very few bits was missed. But firstly we need sources.

We all should remember all the time : its will open for everyone. So not only amigaos4 developers will worry about it, but also Aros ones, even maybe Morphos ones, and even os3 ones. Which, in summ, a lot more than just only os4 programmers.

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I kicked in a few bucks.

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Yes, DOpus4. What's wrong about it? I was talking about the classic two-window-filemanager configuration.


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~1900 for now, 3700 left.


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DOpus4. What's wrong about it

nothing, just dopus4 wins hands down. i barely remember these apps, but on my classic (os4) they appeared overblown, rather ugly looking, unintuitive. for instance who could immediately tell what the buttons do? on opus4 its self explanatory. not to mention the responsiveness.

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How much will the source have to be edited just to make it compile with gcc and the current SDK?


Probably one or two weeks.


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nice to see a few more bucks rolling in..!
i haven't donated myself yet, but i will in a few days when i get my paycheck! =)

come on people!... magellan rules!


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Nice job guys, I hope one day to see an updated and native Magellan!


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I've tried a few WB replacements, including Magellan but I never liked replacing WB with anything. but that does not mean I miss Magellan every day! DOpus4 with its 2 fixed listers is just soooo limiting! Magellan made life so much easier. I used to have 4 listers to open by default (on its own screen of course, not to clutter WB and to not having to waste time shuffle windows all day long).

DOpus always ready and standby in my current working directories, like Downloads/, RAM: and whereever I needed to put the files I downloaded and extracted to RAM:. You see here that at least 3 listers are a necessity for smooth operation. Two listers will just not do it (efficiently!).


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