@wawa
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likely. contrary to os4, infrastructure is in place and just needs adjustments. even on aros68k gallium (software) is just around the corner from working. sad everybody thinks its not worth bothering...

As an active AROS User and Amiga User in general I am very happy to see the progress AROS is making.

In last few years we have seen a vast amount of improvement and for me at least AROS has become a usable Amiga platform that can run both new x86 software on my netbook and run old 68k software under emulation as well with and is every bit as usable as OS4.1 on my sam440ep. Not better than OS4.1 or worse than OS4.1 just a different solution.

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@Rose

perhaps you meant this: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

Interesting. I was wrong then. So, nouveau is opensource linux driver for NVidia and does not need anything from Nvidia.

So NVIDIA drivers are only a recompile away it seems.
(perhaps FAR more than recompile anyway, even on x86)


Nouveau PPC things: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau_Companion_30

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Kinda cool I guess. I dont have a Sam myself, but no harm in having some options.

@Toaks,

As an AROS fan (and old friend) I feel the need to appologize for some peoples agressive responses to your seemingly genuine questions. Im sure you know the story by now though. Some people in the "amiga" scene seem to like to go on a bit of a pre-emptive defense to the point of it being them attacking.

To (hopefully) answer your question though, basically binaries are architecture "compatible" regardless of the distro (perhaps with the exception of a couple of really low level things that a typical user wouldnt think about). x86 binaries will run on any x86 distro, ppc binaries on both ppc hosted and versions for sam440/efika/sam460, etc.

The distros themselves are basically just the AROS "core" with whatever customisations the maintainers sees fit to add. Im reluctant to use the example of the os3.x packages around (amikit, amiga in a box, amigasys, etc.) 'cos then some people will jump on the "its just an os3.x clone" train as some like to do despite it not being the case, but the parallel is there.

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Since AROS also runs on 68K, would it not make some sence to have AROS run on top of a virtual 68K if a real 8k is not present, that way you only need one compile to have an exe run on any platform that AROS supports, in theory anyway.

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@Sicky

Please have some respect for other people's efforts.
What is learned from this port could help some Sam460ex OS4.1 drivers down the road.

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Who cares?

I know what you mean. It's such a weak overpriced p.o.s bit of hardware that it's of no interest to any sane person.

Oh wait, my mistake. Your completely unneccessary expressed disrespectful opinion was aimed elsewhere. My bad.
There's so many people with disrespectful trolling tendencies around here it's hard to keep track.

Must admit to being surprised to see you in on it though.

And Id hazzard a guess at least Acube care a little at least or they wouldnt have donated a board.

p.s. before anyone gets their panties in a twist Im not completely serious about the sam460 boards. It just felt right to respond to bullshit with bullshit.

@Manu

Or sour grappa (notice the source of ACube's press release).

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Poster: Yssing Date: 22-Oct-2012 19:15:26 Since AROS also runs on 68K, would it not make some sence to have AROS run on top of a virtual 68K if a real 8k is not present, that way you only need one compile to have an exe run on any platform that AROS supports, in theory anyway.

That's exactly what Icaros Desktop does: it runs AROS 68K with Janus-UAE, sharing cliboard, filesystem and even most user system settings, actually presenting 68K applications like if they were native ones. This level of integration is currently a "draft" in Icaros 1.4.5, but there is a great work underneath and it will get much better with Icaros 1.5.

A similar solution can be taken by any other implementation of AROS, being it native or hosted, on any processor architecture. On endianess-friendly architectures like PPC, though, AROS could use a Petunia-like solution to run old software: nothing prevents this to be done, just people will, interest and time.

That is cool, I didnt know that :)

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sicky wrote: 22-Oct-2012 18:31:22 Who cares?

I do as I really like AspireOS on my netbook and look at all the great progress other AROS distros have had in recent years.

ultimately co-operation and respect between camps is what's desperately needed for NG Amiga to survive and comments like yours only cause division and not addition

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i think sickys one is a justified comment. the answer is, as it becomes clear in this thread, that even if he doesnt care, many people do. but he is completely entiteled to share his opinion and im sure it will have no negative impact on aros development or the attitudes in aros community.

@sicky

I share your general opinion, the only benefit I see, for me personally, is to be able to code/target Jack for AROS a little bit easier without having to resort to using a virtual machine. Beyond that, the benefits, are lets be honest, very limited to AmigaOS users - we already have an OS that practically-speaking does the same (and much more) than AROS 'currently' offers.

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that's a very narrow minded view of things Richard. There's some damn great devs that contribute to the AROS team that are amigans just like us.

Now if ACUBE announced a port of MacOS to their systems then I'd be the first to comment 'who the hell cares !' and that i'll guarantee

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" it runs AROS 68K with Janus-UAE, sharing cliboard, filesystem and even most user system settings, actually presenting 68K applications like if they were native ones."

We need that also for UAE of AOS4 (perhaps only "nice to have" as systemfriendly 68k SW runs already nicely).

Later... if SMP breaks the Petunia JIT for 68k apps, Janus-UAE way of running 68k apps might become crusially important.

....

I have considered MOS as the plan B if AOS development stops or something.
And AROS as the plan C if both MOS and AOS fail.
So, AROS has been "only" the warranty that Amiga can never ever die!

Nowdays AROS is closing to be (also) a real alternative, instead of just "planB" or "planC".

(perhaps just another decade is needed for AROS to go so far ((ahead of others)) that those others see it as viable partner to merge their code to ... and to unite the whole platform back again ... or perhaps MOS & AOS just gets insane R&D boost and AROS never catch up....)

Hmm... I'm happy. I see Amigas to exist also for my children to use/play with.
Oh... almost forgot:

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I have considered MOS as the plan B if AOS development stops or something. And AROS as the plan C if both MOS and AOS fail. So, AROS has been "only" the warranty that Amiga can never ever die!

thats the attitude why it is only where it is, the snake bites its tail. no interest > no development > no interest...

but ive to admit i ve too been pretty ignorant about aros myself till the 68k version has been picked up by toni and jason. and it still remains my main field of interest today. good thing about aros as ive mentioned before is that it can provide a common ground for all of us to contribute and gain from in turn, no matter what platform, and if a platform is not supported, it can be changed.

@wawa

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you dont need to comment on ugly aros theme every time. we all know;) ...

It seems it is needed. Change of window theme is now realy simple in AROS, I don´t get, why it is still the same horrible theme. Default theme should be useable and appealing for new users, this one isn´t.

@Manu

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He had to comment that otherwise this could have been a little too positive news item for AROS, now it's back to normal negativity against AROS .... - check -

Was that realy necessary? AROS is only NG Amiga platform I use regulary (it is also only NG Amiga platform able to run/emulate my favourite Win95 games). If I see something I dislike, I share my feelings with others in hope it will be improved.

Now you're being really funny. I could ask you the same thing. This thread had
zero to do with AROS default theme. Was it really necessary to invite everybody to
derail the thread from something positive into something negative.
Don't you try to look innocent now.

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