@saimo

"the name"

It is an often repeated urban myth that there was ever a big value attached to the name.

Ask 1000 (random)people wether the know what Amiga is and you might come up with more "wrong" (a record label, a telecom-company) answers than right ones. Most of them will just shrug. Those who knwo the right answer are people who actuall used a an Amiga back in the days.

These people would either know what happened after 94, or would atleast inform themselves before spending $$$$.

Now compare that to names like "Commodore" or "Apple", brands where even those who never had such a computer (or any other) will still know what you are talking about.

The C64 (and before that the VIC and other C=s) were the dominant (home)computer of their time. The Amiga never managed to get even close to the C64's number, despite the overall market-size literally exploding in that time-frame.

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First Pixie, then SeeHund, now you: you all tried to steer the discussion in this direction. Bad or good, pretty or ugly, like it or not, there *are* rules. Rules that AInc, being the owner of AOS, has any right to make as it pleases. If somebody does not like them, then the only way to try to change them is getting privately and professionally in touch with AInc and proposing them a valid alternative. saimo

The alternative was offeed a gazillion times: Sell OS4 with an usb dongle. Genesi never accepted to change the firmware for some special OS4 maschines, but this is not necessary. The license requires a dongle code, how that one is realized is stated nowhere.
The idea to sell OS4 for the Pegasos using an usb dongle was offered x-times already since 2002 or even earlier.
Even Hyerion confirmed that the firmware ws not the problem. And magnetic was willing to contribute serious funds to accquire a license. But AI never ever accepted anything which had to do with Genesi.

There was a lot of good will, but AI f*cked it up (several times, same holds true for the AHT debacle).

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Here you list some reasons why AOS4 would be good for the PPC-oriented efforts of Mr. Buck (and why he would want AOS4)... ... and here you say that AOS4 is not worth the effort.

Just so there is no confusion about what might seem to be a contradiction, my first comments were possible reasons why bbrv might think having the Amiga platform onboard at power.org would be good. Actually this is based on things they did tell me. The second comments were my personal opinion. Ideally, it makes sense for the parties involved with AmigaOS4 -- a PowerPC OS -- to participate in the PowerPC industry group. In general, companies join industry associations because they and the association both benefit by working together. But in this case, with people so fragmented and companies (especially Amiga, Inc.) apparently not functioning in a normal way, I wonder if it's possible or even worth the effort to try building bridges.

Some people here have said things like why bother joining power.org, we just want to be independent. I think this illustrates the same narrow vision that the hardware-making groups might have if they think they can survive as a business by selling only to AmigaOS users. This is one thing that Alan Redhouse did understand: it's not possible to profitably manufacture motherboards/systems for such a small market only. And I think once it is realized that other markets need to be targetted, it makes sense to gain credibility and build bridges to those markets such as through power.org.

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Bad or good, pretty or ugly, like it or not, there *are* rules.

Of course, but complaining about rules we think are wrong is human nature. It really is the right thing to do IMHO.

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If somebody does not like them, then the only way to try to change them is getting privately and professionally in touch with AInc and proposing them a valid alternative.

None of us knows what has already happened in the background. I assume Genesi has already communicated with Amiga, Inc. (or tried to) about this. It is easy to see from their many other business dealings that Genesi is not averse to going through proper channels. I don't know if bbrv going direct to the users here is a result of attempted communication with Amiga, Inc. or in parallel to that or what. I hope the answer will come out in the Q&A session ahead.

-- gary_c

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