@Seehund

I think you don´t even believe yourself, but you try to convince yourself and all your blue partners that you can live without Amiga and it is not your reference and holy grail. But in the deepest part of your mind, your heart and your soul, YOU KNOW YOU CAN´T.

The same goes for BBRV: They came because of Amiga, they tried to own Amiga, they tried to buy, collaborate, sue, threaten.. whatever! because they deserve, love, feel, breath and live for Amiga.

And the same goes for that "bastard" machines created by all that community: They know for totally sure that they will not BOOST sales until they run OS4 and be (at least kind of) an official Amiga product. But they would certainly sell a lot more if one day they could achieve that, cause the Amiga community would buy them in huge amounts (I am speaking about probably +10.000 units). And more important: Have a lot more developers creating programs and applications to make their machines become something interesting to buy.

I think this isn´t happening before because Eyetech and Amiga hate BBRV with all their soul (and they have their reasons, so I kind of support them).

But I hope sooner than later they find a solution that surely make all of them loose a bit, but for win a lot.

Edit: wrong typing and expressions. Sorry

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Seehund wrote: @Atheist Quote: Atheist wrote: No matter how you look at it, bb's trying to get AOS4.0 to sell his product (a motherboard) with no obligations whatsoever on his part TO AOS4.0. Whether it lives or dies, he couldn't give a rats ass. Hardware does not need AOS4 to sell. Hardware vendors do not give a rat's ass about AOS4. Hardware vendors have no obligations to AOS4, and have no rational business reason to take any such obligations upon them. AOS4 is dependent on hardware and hardware vendors. Hardware and hardware vendors are not dependent on AOS4. The compulsory hardware licensing scheme is constructed from a weird alternate view on reality, where things are the opposite of what I just described. That is why AOS4 is dead, dead, dead, unless the scheme is canned.

To: the genius that is "Seehund",
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ironfist wrote: from post #425 Very interesting statement considering they sell 40-50 complete ODW's per week. For a small company, selling an obscure plat- form as the ODW, I really think those numbers are great. Re- member that the ODW is a few years old..

Let's see, the bigger amount is 50, * 52 weeks == 2600

Now, if Hyperion Entertainment HAD ported AOS4.0 to peg2, how many copies of AOS4.0 would have been in users hands?
50, * 52 weeks == BIG FAT zero!
Equating to BIG FAT zero $!

Boy, that would make for happy programmers. NOT!

Go to university and sign up for business classes, and come back in 3 or 4 years after you've learned something about something.

Amiga Inc. and Hyperion Entertainment ARE NOT in a position to MAKE HW for Amigans, therfore, their desire is to get a deal where a one-to-one ratio for AOS4.x is the norm.

Anything less than that is suicide, and I agree with that stance.... And $4.50 from a Sony PS3 install, on all sold gamesystems, would be bogus too. A FULL OS for $4.50? Outrageous, considering the truely utter crap microsoft has sold to countless billions, calling itself fraudulently an "OS". (It doesn't work as advertised, it doesn't work at all.)

If it's NOT sold one-to-one NOBODY is going to look it up later, as a "possible add-on". Only people "in the know" will and that's NOT good enough.

Heck, I said I'd pirate it, if it's done that way.

Why? Well, "look at that guy over there".

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Quote: If AOS4.0 is not coupled with his MB, if sales of AOS are 10% of his MB output, he don't care. Of course not. He's a hardware vendor. Let's use your numbers: He has no reason to go after 10% when he can go after the other 90% (or 100%, if the licensing scheme was canned). No vendor that matters wants to pay money and take on extra obligations for "10%" AmigaOS customers. If PPC weren't already dead on the desktop and Apple still developed new PPC Macs (the frigging obvious option for any PPC desktop OS), those "10%" would be closer to 0.01% for them.

And, you keep asking why bbrv has no license????

HE DOESN'T WANT A LICENSE.

He just wants it to WORK ON PEGS!

Let Hyperion worry about making a buck or two, and being there tomorrow, or should I say even, till this evening???

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AmigaOS is the loser today, not hardware vendors.

So why are you, bbrv and the other trollers over here crying about what WE are doing, and concerned about?

If our boat is going to sink, leave us be, at least.

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And that's not the fault of independent hardware vendors who obviously act in their own interests, and will always do so. They're businesses (hopefully), not charities for a vanishing number of people who hold delusions about "new Amigas".

Well, Hyperion Entertainment, or rather, Amiga Inc. isn't interested in dealing with them then.

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Quote: That is a joke, and Amiga cannot survive. Amiga probably need a revenue stream to survive. AmigaOS sales could generate a revenue stream,

Yup, of a big fat $0. (See above.)

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for both AInc and Hyperion. Now they've made it nearly impossible to sell AmigaOS at all. If you're talking about Amiga-the-computer, that died in 1994. That's why we're (supposed to be) getting AmigaOS4, which is meant to run on 3rd party hardware since there are no more Amigas.

You've told me your thoughts 1,000 times, and I've told you the same answer back every time, so, how many more times are you going to say what you have to say again???