@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Crumb Quote: Crumb wrote: @Smurfen [quote] Secondly I am sad for the state of our belowed Amiga, when people are cheering for an OS adaptation for an obsolete hardware... well, it is sad. Mac Mini G4 is still the fastest "amiga"

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The Amiga hardware brand is dead; there are no more Amiga computers. What we are using now are PowerPC workstations. Sam440ep no Amiga in that name Elfika no Amiga in that name Pegasus I no Amiga in that name Pegasus II no Amiga in that name MicroAmigaOne was the last Amiga computer. And you can’t label a computer that was designed to run MacOS, and now runs MorphOS, as an Amiga compatible, because it does not run AmigaOS.

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@leo But you can take a buggy computer designed to run Linux, put an Amiga sticker on it and call it Amiga ? I'm not following you...

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@kcnrad Administrators, when Crumb will be banned? Why does he still trolling here? Does Terms of Service apply only to Amiga users? Does blue trolls can everything here?

I don´t know in other languages but putting a word in quotation marks change a bit their meaning and do not mean exactly what the word literally means.
In other words crumb not say that is a real Amiga, he says that is the fastest computer that can run an Amiga (powerpc) like operating system native

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@NutsAboutAmiga

No the last real Amiga was A4000T iirc.

Will you guys ####ed up all the threads with that childrish/boring talks about what is amiga and what is not ?

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The Amiga definition is nowadays so broad that these kind of inflammatory posts are redundant by definition. Or maybe I'm wrong - There are definitions possible for the Amiga concept:

- If Amiga hardware and AmigaOS is only the classic range then is it reasonable to say that All Amiga is retro by definition and that new generation and alternative amiga sites and forums are redundant (in that point of view there's no reason to exist AmigaWorld.NET)

- If Amiga HW and OS is the licensed Amiga one, then AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 prior to final release 4.0 are the only real Amigas, so only Amigans.net forum can be called Amiga forums - so stay out of the others (including Amigaworld.net).

- Or does one accept that there is the classic range (retro may be but still present with some interesting projects Minimig and Natami) and 3 options - AmigaOS4 supporting PPC machines (Classic PPC upto 4.0 / AmigaOne / SAM) / MorphOS supporting PPC machines (Classic PPC upto 1.4 / Pegasos 1&2 / Efika / Mac Mini) / AROS (X86 machines / X64 machines / PPC SAM and EFIKA) - then there's a reason for existence of all Amiga Forums including Amigaworld.net.

In all definition respect is necessary from all parts involved...

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DiskDoctor wrote: Just to summarize with one crucial question: having already prepared my Mini (I mean a separate free 10G partition) can I just work out on dual boot WITHOUT having to reinstall my OSX?

Answered on morphzone: yes. Also, MorphOS doesn't require internet connection during installation.

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Congratulations.
MOS for Mac mini is quite an achievement but it would have been better with some brand new hardware.

I just searched for used PPC Mac Mini's in Denmark and found only one overpriced example. Lot's of X86/PPC Macbooks and older machines but no Mac mini PPC!

Hope it is different elsewere?

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MOS for Mac mini is quite an achievement but it would have been better with some brand new hardware.

The problem is, there is no brand new PowerPC hardware with parameters (and pricing) at least comparable to Mac mini G4. Do you expect MorphOS Team to design and produce a hardware platform too?

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New article here:

http://www.osnews.com/story/22330/MorphOS_2_4_Released_Adds_Mac_Mini_Support

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@NutsAboutAmiga & @KimmoK

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Crumb The Amiga hardware brand is dead; there are no more Amiga computers. What we are using now are PowerPC workstations. Sam440ep no Amiga in that name Elfika no Amiga in that name Pegasus I no Amiga in that name Pegasus II no Amiga in that name MicroAmigaOne was the last Amiga computer. And you can’t label a computer that was designed to run MacOS, and now runs MorphOS, as an Amiga compatible, because it does not run AmigaOS.

Fransexy is right. Both of your posts were unnecessary given Crumb's usage of quote, unquote. Its also off-topic to debate this in this thread.

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@Leo & @NutsaboutAmiga


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Leo wrote: @NutsaboutAmiga Quote: NutsaboutAmiga wrote: And you can’t label a computer that was designed to run MacOS, and now runs MorphOS, as an Amiga compatible, because it does not run AmigaOS. But you can take a buggy computer designed to run Linux, put an Amiga sticker on it and call it Amiga ? I'm not following you...

Ok, I want to be very clear here. Take your petty BS to PM or make a new thread. This thread is about MOS 2.4 for G4 Mac Mini. I'm going to be unkind in ban issues if this crap continues.

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@fairlanefastback

Sorry to go off-topic on the off-topic talk, but perhaps now is a better time than ever to redirect the off-topic to:

[Poll] Carl's Definition of Amiga

I think it is especially relevant given the surge in user driven initiatives since Carl Sassenrath posted this.

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[Poll] Carl's Definition of Amiga

Off-topic removed.

Well done porting MorphOS to Mac Mini PPC hardware - an Amiga developer has ported an Amiga like Os to the only sane platform open to us AT LAST!!!

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@Fransexy

Talking about what an amiga is and the gender of the angels is boring. You resumed my thoughts, thanks


@acefnq

Check that the CD format is the right one. You could try to reset the internal memory of the Mac Mini disconnecting all cables including PSU one, leaving pressed the ON button and inserting the psu cable. Wait some seconds and remove your finger from the button. Then connect the rest of the cables and try again.

In the worst case you could try to boot using openfirmware... press the left windows key, o, f and the right Alt key simultaneously to access openfirmware. Then type something like (I'm typing this from memory so perhaps I have made some mistake):
boot cd:/mac_ppc32/boot.img ramdebug

perhaps it requires two slashes instead of one after "cd:"

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@Moderators

Unfair edit I feel! I was only trying to point out that the cheap and ubiquitous Amiga hardware Carl envisions would only ever now come from either ARM Smart phones, the old model PS3 Cell platform or x86 netbooks! That's all. I don't agree necessarily that the way forward is specifically one of these routes, but he's not talking about a situation where ACube is the sole Amiga hardware supplier is he?

If anything the PPC Mac Mini port of MorphOS is a small step in the right direction - I'm staying positive!

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BigD wrote: @Moderators Unfair edit I feel! I was only trying to point out that the cheap and ubiquitous Amiga hardware Carl envisions would only ever now come from either ARM Smart phones, the old model PS3 Cell platform or x86 netbooks! That's all. I don't agree necessarily that the way forward is specifically one of these routes, but he's not talking about a situation where ACube is the sole Amiga hardware supplier is he? If anything the PPC Mac Mini port of MorphOS is a small step in the right direction - I'm staying positive!

This thread is not about what makes a machine an Amiga. Its not about what Carl thinks. And its certainly not about questioning moderation in public. You want to post what you did, fine, no problem. Just post it in a thread where its on-topic.

This is not hard to understand.

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@Thread

I don't know too much about MorphOS, I guess if I had to choose sides I be a 'Red' supporter. However, am I right in thinking you can run WarpUp games on MorphOS and becasue the GUI is based on MUI the system resembles an Amiga quite closely? Kind of like a modern MUI/Directory Opus Amiga? I'm sure it would be a nice break from using Mac OSX and yet you could dual boot and have a choice which you run! GREAT!

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ps. Hope aos4 will be also ported to ManMini :)

I'd really prefer port to an iBook. For MorphOS as well. But Mini should be a step toward that, at least it runs on a Mac now, so surely a lot of Mac issues have been sorted out in that.

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Thread I don't know too much about MorphOS, I guess if I had to choose sides I be a 'Red' supporter. However, am I right in thinking you can run WarpUp games on MorphOS and becasue the GUI is based on MUI the system resembles an Amiga quite closely? Kind of like a modern MUI/Directory Opus Amiga?

Not really. MorphOS is an OS using the same structure, API und "philosopy" that was seeded by Commodore back then.
You have exec as kernel, intution for gfx and so on. You will find S:, C:, Libs:, devs:, and so on. The most prominent difference is that Prefs was reorganized and the desktop is much enhanced over workbench. The whole OS is compatible to Amiga applications for 68k, PowerUP and WarpOS.
Most OS parts were massively updated and enhanced (MUI, console, CGX, ...)
If you have a Mini accessible its now quite easy to get an own impression. Just go to www.morphos.de, download the iso, burn it to a cd, insert it to the mini and press "c" while booting. Voila the Mini starts MorphOS. No installation needed to get a first taste. after each boot up you have 30 minutes time to work with it w/o restrictions, but then the system slows down massively unless it is registered.

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