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And heck, I haven't even seen a single piece of evidence that there is any actual designing going on either ...

Yep. It is very telling that the only "evidence" we have seen were images of some weird 3rd party hardware that will "soon be licensed for OS4" like the Beijing UD Tech board.
We haven't even seen some evidence from projects like Powervixxen LT which already have been in development for nearly two years now.

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Designing things are one thing, making an industry out of it is another.

That's why the only sane way to make an Amiga computer is to NOT make an Amiga computer. Only then can you be successful in making a new Amiga.

What OS do the "real" PPC markets run? Make your hardware for that. What form factors do those industries use? Make it in that form factor, or very easily adaptable to that form factor. (There's probably a few standards out there) If possible, make it relatively easy to adapt to a form factor acceptable to AmigaOS users, get OS4 ported for that tiny market, and then there's a chance of success. Do not market the thing as an AmigaOS platform to anyone that isn't asking for OS4 hardware.

It probably adds complexity and cost for the OS4 userbase. As long as it's not a significant increase in cost, the mere availability of something should make a small percentage increase in cost compared to a less complex system but with the same features built in the same quantities acceptable. Simply because the less complex system may not be suitable in the "real" PPC markets, and thus render it not worth building at all.

Surely bplan and genesi are not goofy enough to market Efika as a platform for everyone to run MorphOS on. It's a small, low-power Linux thing. Same for 4u2. Small and low power and Linux can be marketed to "real" customers. If it can also run MorphOS, then the MorphOS fans benefit. If OS4 ran on them, then OS4 fans could also benefit, even though neither board was primarily intended to be either a MorphOS or an OS4 platform. Same situation for any other designer's product, which as a side benefit known only to us few that it can also run OS4 in addition to whatever it's sold with to "real" markets.

If anyone is designing their gizmo for the purpose of running OS4, and they do not plan to sell it with any other "real-market" OS, then I think they're nuts. That's an awful lot of expense for our tiny market. Don't try to make an industry for the product. Make a product for the industry.

My advise is to stop thinking about designing a new "Amiga", and start thinking about designing "something which is capable of running AmigaOS". For all we know, that's exactly what these guys are doing.

Last edited by billt on 29-Aug-2006 at 08:44 PM.

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And heck, I haven't even seen a single piece of evidence that there is any actual designing going on either ...

See the real problem yet? Trust. It's gone. Long gone. No matter what is shown, no matter what pictures you see, it will never be enough. The only thing that matters is shipping product. Until then, this is all just empty meaningless chatter in a vacuous web forum. It is kind of fun in some masochistic way I suppose but it is still just arguing about nothing. But please, feel free to continue. Perhaps it is therapeutic.

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