I think the Xorro slot is an accelerator slot in which we'll have an Intel or AMD CPU.

The main CPU is a PowerPC cpu.

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@jaseinblack

I think any legacy stuff is not worth it on a board that aims for the future.
When we get more CPU power, we have no difficulties handling legacy stuff in SW.

It could be just a female name (for another Amiga cuctom chip) after all.
(but it's related to the xorro slot, I bet)

What would xorro be needed for....
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If AOS4 would be running only on one of the cores, how the communication to the other OS on the other core would/could be handled?
From PCIx8 bus to another PCIx8 bus?
And xena does the interconnection???
No. Too kludge solution.

Below billt suggest that xorro is for FPGA I/O. Perhaps. But then we would have to FPGA I/O connectors already (SAM's and xorro), not a good thing that they would not be compatible.

But if the xorro is for FPGA, then also Xena is a FPGA thingy.

And I doubt there is sense in using xena for x86 emulation...
and and

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My guess regarding the Xorro slot is that it's just connected to FPGA pins, which makes it very versatile. One could consider a Zorro3 bridge in the FPGA and a slot adaptor to hook your Z3 card up. May not fit pretty in a case, but possible IMHO. Though with PCI and PCI-Express, I think there's extremely few Zorro cards that are still interesting. Actual Zorro slot might have made sense in BoxeR hype days, and I think even that did not include them anymore, using PCI instead.

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What would that be good for? If you want to run PC software just buy a PC?

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@billt: yup, my wrong, i have been influenced by a datasheet i found, ( http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/Datasheet-026/DSA00456868.pdf ) and compared to the battery next to it, i thought it was wide enough...

@Rogue:

Give us two updates a day and the fighting will be even smaller

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Maybe run a PC and Amiga at the same time? I'm just guessing like the rest of us. I'll probably buy it either way :)

@billt

posted by Rogue over on amiga.org

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Well, seriously, most of it is already out there. 2x PCIe 16x (16 lanes connected, they'll scale down to 2x 8x if both are populated) 3x PCIe 1x (Xorro slot in line) 2x PCI legacy slots 4x SATA 8x USB Onboard Audio 4x RAM socket It can run 8 programs at 25% each, so that makes it how many cores? As far as I can see, the only unknown factors not yet guessed are the CPU itself, Xena and Xorro... For that... well... see you tomorrow

also look at http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=536083&postcount=183

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Unless it's a trick, that's pretty much a blatant hint at a dual core CPU :)

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Also, looking at the fact it has four memory slots implies a CPU that can address more than 4GB, otherwise you'd probably not need that many. So, either a 64-bit processor, or a 32-bit one with PAE or similar.

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Not sure if thats helpful or has been mentioned before:
The feature list of the new Version of Hollywood (only on morphzone.org) contains

"* Ready for X!"

Happy guessing! :-}



Link

@Thread:

What someone suggested as a southbridge might be here, these are the specifications that match mostly what this board does have:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_14603_14620%5E14623,00.html

judging by this the southbridge could be controlling:

PCI Host Bus Controller

* Supports PCI rev. 2.3 specifications
* Supports PCI bus at 33 MHz
* Supports up to 6 master devices
* Supports 40-bit addressing

the two pci ports on the bottom.

USB Controllers

* 5 OHCI and 1 EHCI Host controllers to support 10 USB ports
* All 10 ports are USB 1.1 (“Low Speed”, “Full Speed”) and 2.0 (“High Speed”) compatible

there are 8 usb ports on the back of the board, might have more on a socket

SATA II AHCI Controller

* Supports four SATA ports, complying with SATA 2.0 specifications
* Supports SATA II 3.0GHz PHY, with backward compatibility with 1.5GHz

you can see 4 SATA ports on the board.

IDE Controller

* Single PATA channel support
* Support PIO, multi-word DMA, and Ultra DMA 33/66/100/133 modes

the board seems to have a PATA IDE Device.

HD Audio

* 4 independent output streams (DMA)
* 4 independent input streams (DMA)
* Up to 16 channels of audio output per stream

judging from the rear ports, this might be the audio part

LPC host bus controller

* Supports LPC based super I/O and flash devices
* Supports two master/DMA devices

this might be what manages the Compact flash port, but i'm not sure.

now we're missing the CPU and that "xena" thing.

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I'm wondering is the CPU something not publicly announced yet. I would have guessed Titan based but there's a few around, 476 based maybe?. Clearly a PPC SoC of some form anyway.

Xena is I guess a FPGA with something along the lines of a Minimig or Clone-A in it. I'm also guessing this is *not* built in but comes on a separate board that plugs in via the Xorro slot. The Xilinx on the board would be doing some interfacing of some sort (e.g. video O/P).

I'm also guessing the price is nowhere near the silly prices guessed at so far, I don't think it'll be any more than a Sam.

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lgn wrote: Not sure if thats helpful or has been mentioned before: The feature list of the new Version of Hollywood (only on morphzone.org) contains "* Ready for X!" Happy guessing! :-} Link

its on the amigaworld news story for Hollywood 4.5 as well

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5242

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Ah ok my mistake. Didn't found it on the airsoftsoftware website though...

What I kind of have missed (which is easy with 1000+ replies) is that nothing has seems to have been discussed about all those header-pins on the main board. Also I did kind of miss a discussion about the boards layout. I'm not an electronics engineer but I roughly divide the main board into:

Powersupply and regulation circuits
I think that's what the area between the ATX-like connector and the first set of memory connectors is about. Correct me if I'm wrong. The headers in this area could have something to do with the normal buttons and connectors on your everyday system case.

Processing area
This is where, probably, the SOC is situated. Between the two sets of memory connectors.

I/O area
The area between the second set of memory connectors and the USB ports / audio connectors. I guess here the raw signal processing is done for USB / Ethernet / Audio communication. The actual data processing probably is done by the SOC.

Expansion area
The are with the PCI / PCIe and Xorro connectors. The majority of the slots seem to be directly driven by the SOC. The last two rows of connectors could be influenced / driven by the FPGA (?) which seems to be present between the CF-Connector and the slots. Using an FPGA could mean a lot of things, mostly flexibility.

Removable media I/O area
What are all these headers for? IDE? SCSI? Floppy? Whatever you want depending on the programming of the FPGA (no visual lines between the SOC and this part). Or the direct connection is over the SATA connectors (which should hint at a IDE connector).

A lot to speculate on from a technology point of view. Man, I'm kind of excited and just have to know... (like all of us)

(seems like Ami603 kind of beat me at this type of post )

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Hmm... I put my 5 cents on that the X is x as in xena as xorro. And the resemblance of "xorro" and "zorro" can't be ignored. The Xorro slot seen on the mobo on the pictures is clearly to small to fit a Zorro card (100 pins, right?). So maybe it's for a raiser-card/doughter board for fitting old Zorro cards on this mobo. And the Xena-chip location would indicate that it's controlling the Xorro slot.

Or maybe it's just a tribute to the X-files... =)

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NEO wrote: Hmm... I put my 5 cents on that the X is x as in xena as xorro. And the resemblance of "xorro" and "zorro" can't be ignored. The Xorro slot seen on the mobo on the pictures is clearly to small to fit a Zorro card (100 pins, right?). So maybe it's for a raiser-card/doughter board for fitting old Zorro cards on this mobo. And the Xena-chip location would indicate that it's controlling the Xorro slot. Or maybe it's just a tribute to the X-files... =)

rogue has said xorro is nothing to do with zorro

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@Derfs Aaah... So it's just another poorly named thingy then? ;) Well, I guess that would be a good thing since I'm not that much about holding on to old stuffs. Even though it might have been cool to dust of my old Picasso IV again. Damn it was expensive back then. ;)