Don't get me wrong. I'm all pro demo version limitation. However, I don't think that corrupting the data is a good way. If the copied DVD doesn't work well, how do I know that it's becuae my drive is not compatible or it's because of the demo version feature? The demo version should work flowlessly to encourage me to buy the software.

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I don't understand... What is this able to do more than the basic Frying Pan? I thought Frying Pan can already copy/burn/save DVD's/CD's.

Alex.

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no FP just can create(..assembling data and burn..) there is no direct copy function in it

this software can copy-burn (direct copy) or copy save (create iso,raw)

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This module just eases making a copy of the whole of an existing CD/DVD on a blank CD/DVD with just a few clicks.

Firbodi

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This is the most terrible demo limitation what I ever seen! What's the point? I would never try a demo which corrupts my result.
How could we be sure if its an application bug or a 'demo feature' when we found some bug on the disc?

Corrupting data is just bad, which means you can't use the demo for anything.

Well maybe one thing and thats testing if your burner is supported.

But I must say its one of the stupidest demo limitation I have seen yet.

RWO

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@ Chip
I completely agree with you!

I compeletely agree! When I download a demo of something, it's to try it out and see it it works for me. If it corrupts data, how do I know of it's because my burner is not completely supported, the burner is buggy, or it's the demo version limitation "feature"?

Dude, come up with a less retarded way of crippling your demo. How about these ways:

1. Only backs up data that's less than 100MB on the CD
2. Only lets you run the program once, then you need to reboot to use it again
3. Pops up a nag window with an "OK" button that's disabled for 30 seconds
4. You can only do a restore of a backup that's less than a week old

That was just 5 minutes thinking, and every single one of those should give people the hint that they should register to get the full thing working.

Personally I think it's quite an inventive demo limitation, but it obviously doesn't suit everyone. Perhaps it could guarantee to not corrupt the first 100Mb, or not corrupt on the first use, or something?

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Inventive... It surely is original, I never heard of a similar strategy.

What's next?
A spreadsheet demo that gives incorrect results?
A wordprocessor that only prints out pages of black?

I'm sorry, but this is the stupidest demo limitation I've ever seen.

I was never a big fan of Frying Pan's registration method(nor the program itself, since it crashed continuously), but this is the final nail.

i think this demo limitation is pretty funny, It's becoming an amiga thing. Not as funny as the MUI4 thing on MOS (MUI4 is freeware but if u want to get rid of the annoying pop ups just send some cash).
Coders are good at coding, but they still need some marketing guys sometimes.

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Although this is sniped out of the FryingPan registration page. It seems the registration
method of Frying Pan has changed.


"So far, program was registered for every drive you had in your system separately. As there were many requests for changing that - I stand here to do what you ask me to - from now on, you register the program, not your drive.

Current pricing for FryingPan

* 25 euro for a single key file,
* Read-Only access does not require registering at all."


This is a good move by Tomasz IMHO. Maybe we can pressure him into changing the
other program aswell?

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Hmmm, well, it's better than not being able to burn at all! What do other burner demos do, like for MakeCD or BurnIT?

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Love, I really love the limitation, it's trash, it's hard, it's something I may have done if FP was my software

BTW how to remove the boring output? :-/

Great idea!

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@CodeSmith
All of your suggestions have problems:
1. How many CDs do you have that are less than 100MB, and what about DVDs which is the main point?
2. How often do you want to copy a CD/DVD? Once in a while? Then that would make his program demo fully functional!
3. I really really hate nag requesters, especially looong ones. I might not even bother to try the software with such a limitation. While others might go make a cup of coffee, and then use the demo as the full program.
4. Anything linked to the system clock is easily worked-around. And it's pretty useless for testing it's ability to copy DVDs!

Try thinking a little longer than 5 minutes

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lo folks.

dont get me wrong. it's been dissatisfactory for you ever since i released first version of fp.

now, as most of you had managed to discover - certain drives do not support test mode recording thus enabling demo versions to work all for you. and once i added the "test" recording the rumour has run low, until finally i was told by a number of people that if it was meant to be a protection - it sucks.

now:

why does nobody care that demo version of makecd records your tracks fulled with zeroes? aint that corruption as well? or perhaps i should be filling my buffers with zeros as well?

reassuming:

when i made a limit to record data within first ~80MB everybody complained that they are unable to test big (2GB) images.

when i made a limit to record one track at a time the problem was that you were unable to see if DAO really works (LOL)

when i set the limit to SPEED (!) you still kept complaining that it appears that FP is unable to burn data at reasonable speed.

when limitation included only COMPLETE blanking of discs the problem was that "FP is unable to blank discs quickly and this discouraged everyone".

furthermore, the requester popping up every action was so desperately annoying to most of you, but eventually acceptable (lol).

then we came into a solution that satisfied you but was not a limitation afterall on certain drives and certain media.

now give me either a good reason to remove the *DEMO* limitation (again - please read carefully: DEMO limitation - in other words it should only present what the software will do once you register it, rather than performing normal action before registering) or a good idea on the demo limitation you would accept.

think you have some clever one? ;) heheh you think the above ideas were purely mine?

dont you think that virtually ANY demo limitation would be dissatisfactory? if you do, sacrifice one disc (about 20 euro-cents) to see if program works and then register it (if it burns tracks as you would expect) to get rid of the limitations that cause so much pain to you. the key includes earlier releases and includes new ones as it always did. if you disagree - read the whole post again and focus on the "public ideas" mentioned before.

still suck, still inappropriate... how odd. it's all a merry-go-round...

Cheers,
Tom

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Hmmm, well, it's better than not being able to burn at all! What do other burner demos do, like for MakeCD or BurnIT?

I can do that.

this will be the first demo version of application copying discs that would not copy discs at all. it will just show gui

oohhh hold on, if you just want to play with gui, go on, you can do that with current release :) so why change?

btw. usually demo versions of software meant to create documents does not include saving. so maybe this is really it? I should disable recording discs entirely. this way you will have a PURE look at if coffe / fryingpan / whatever comes next will support your drive at all.. I think the idea is brilliant.

Cheers,
Tom.

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Maybe we can pressure him into changing the other program aswell?

Registration includes basically anything that is related to software recording at all and has been released by me. so registering FP includes a key for CoFFE / further versions of FP.

and concluding the whole chat.

you have all mentioned the demo limitations that sucked to you before. the most ridiculous was to disable writing entirely. and yet it is way better than to be able to record but partially currupted data or entirely erased tracks.

just rethink what you are posting here.

btw, i am not encouraging you guys to register the software. if you just find it funny to put blames here - nobody can turn you from it; but soon as you realize what your ideas were - you will realize the true purpose of demo limitations and good sides of what is currently included.

1. upcoming FP will have exactly same limitation. even the tracks recorded by FP will be scattered.
2. no, i am not going to change it once again. i've changed the limiations too many times. it is a demo version of shareware program, rather than a freeware or even an opensource program.

Cheers.
Tom.

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If the copied DVD doesn't work well, how do I know that it's becuae my drive is not compatible or it's because of the demo version feature?

because if it was a problem with your drive - it wouldnt burn the disc at all. There are no special techniques of handling buffers. Every drive does that the same. Unfortunately I cant say so for handling media - therefore if the algorithm was bad for your drive - it will reject any data that comes to it, thus the recording will not even begin.

a simple way to see if the copied discs will work:

1. try copying the disc with demo version to see if it records disc on your drive and with your system at all
2. ask someone who is a registered if they have problems with their copies.

is that really so hard to come up with this idea? hey, there is even a mailing list where you can get support from others.

well eventually you can still put blames here.

Cheers,
Tom.

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Hi Tomasz and welcome to AW.net. Hope you won't be a stranger in the future!

So CoFEE works fully for those that have registered FryingPan?!
This is great id that's the case.

Btw I emailed you about a problem with the latest Frying Pan. Maybe you could
have a look at it?

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