That's a quite reassuring statement, kudos for that one Mr. Hare.

With this as an appendix, the IRC session suddenly went from being "interesting" to being, well, quite interesting. In a good way.

I also think that Mr. Hare's sense of humour comes across a lot better in relayed e-mail than in IRC sessions.

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@ Garry Hare

Thanks for the clarifications... I don't know how much "damage control" is in those but you have somewhat cleared up some points.


@ Wiffy (and to the thread...)

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... AmigaOS4 is here ready to use' and if we all support it, support it noisily and with developments, then if nothing else it will force the hand of those that might otherwise consider 'dead-ending' it to doing what you aspire to - of a near 90% retainment of technology in future products of the line. Let me nail my colours to the mast now, if they were not already so obvious. I would much rather support Hyperion who has an AmigaOS4.0 successor ( with roots in evolved source code from earlire versions ) than Amiga Inc who does not have any ( yet ) successor to the Amiga Operating System on its portfolio in any form that I have yet seen demonstrated. I am AmigaOS4.x through and through, and in order to get me to encompass into that affiliation would have to be a successor technology that evolved either slightly or radically the Amiga Operating System.

I fully agree...

Long life to (our) AmigaOS and to Hyperion with all the OS4 dev team.

VP and AA could become nice. But "The Amiga OS" is another thing...

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Thanks Garry for taking the time to write this follow-up. It's cleared up a few things.

Chris

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Jose Quote: @Cecilia "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." That idea is what has kept me continuing even when really horrible things happened." I prefer to find something more easier and enjoyable to do when that happends. But I think some of you got this whining thing wrong. If there hadn't been people whining in 2000/1 showning support for the OS probably AInc. and mostly Hyperion wouldn't have made up their minds. Maybe you wouldn't be using ImageFx today Garry himself admited that the whole thing went wront and the bot even cut off some parts of his answers. It ended up nice, everybody can get their machines and keep coding more than ever.

Whining is when people do NOTHING but complain and make stuff up and speculate and spread nonsense.

The reason I am "still" using programs like ImageFX is because I have supported it and NovaDesign for years. (and that includes beta-testing the last several versions of IFX, plus supporting Kermit in various ways).

The people who make it possible for Amiga to continue are the ones who have contributed. the programmers, the writers, the developers, the artists, etc. the people who DO something. instead of WHINE.

that's what "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." means.

What is Amiga anyway? It's US. Everyone who has contributed over the years. As long as we have the will to keep going, it will not end. All thos people who have made WinUAE, Amiga Forever, AROS, MOS, OS4, etc.

Garry has joined the group and seems to be contributing his own stuff. We may not understand exactly what it is, but the man has a very professional attitude and I appreciate that.

I'm not expecting him to solve every problem. His attitude is very welcome and maybe some here (and elsewhere) should adopt it.

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Thanks alot for the follow up! This cleared up many of the worries i had of the future of our beloved AmigaOS.

@Rogue

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Yes I have OS 4 running on an Amiga and elsewhere (that ought to start a new thread).

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I wonder why this didn't happen yet

Hmmm, what else could he be running it on????

Thank you Mr. Hare for clearing some points up!

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Poster: Mikey_C Date: 22-Mar-2005 14:49:11 Nickman On behalf of the Amigaworld Team, a Belated to Amigaworld

I didn't mean to force out a welcome like that. But it's nice anyway.

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Poster: hnl_dk Date: 22-Mar-2005 15:02:45 @Nickman I guess You are not that good at looking at peoples profiles My best guess would be that he is the son of Scott A Pistorino and the website should be http://www.amigasource.com/

You are absolutlely right I suck at being a detective.

Thanks for the help.

@ EntilZha

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I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you...

You have to ask yourself a question, 'Do I feel lucky?'

...well do ya? 8')

Arrgh!!! My internet's been down for the last 2 days at the worst possible time.

Look guys....it's simple.

AA is to the AmigaOS what .NET is to Windows.

MS is not writing their next version of Windows(Longhorn) in .NET and it really would be a ludicrous idea to do so. As much as it would seem cool, it probably does not make sense to port AmigaOS to AA because OSes need to be as fast as possible and hit the metal in the most efficient way. IMHO efficient operating systems have to be written directly for the hardware. Abstraction doesn't cut it at an OS level. Otherwise you might as well be running UAE.

Now, the question remains, how useful is .NET to Windows, and conversely how useful is AA to AmigaOS. Neither are a required part, and are not considered a part of the operating system either, any more than the JavaVM is.

AA may become useful for the app technology it brings to AmigaOS, and that is why it is up to the AmigaOne partners to decide as to whether they want it on the AmigaOne/OS4 platform or not.

No one is telling anyone that you have to start writing your OS4 apps in AA or that the OS4 API is going to disappear. Get a grip. But there are other's like myself that like the idea of AA and would want to contribute in that area. And such contributions could benefit the whole, OS4 and AA.

There will always be a place for a great OS like OS4, and there is also a place for an application platform like AA. AA might come out with some cool stuff, and that is why it would be great on OS4, as we want whatever is possible, to contribute to its coolness.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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So what do you think Amiga Inc means by AmigaOS5.0 then? That is the simple question we all need the answer to.

@cecilia

We all instinctively know that to describe people that are drawing negative inferences from
information as 'whining' is a bit of an insult.

Whining doesnt require people to make anything up at all. The dictionary definition that applies:

1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.

2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.

Now given that this is a text based medium and we can't hear anyones noises that rules 1 out.

That means you clearly think 2 applies.

Furthermore, it is not the complaint or protest itself that is childish or in anyway incorrect it
is the fashion of the complaint/protest that is being described as childish.

Being one of those that have drawn negative inferences ( that I stand by ) and whom
hopes to apply enough pressure to get Amiga Inc to either change their mind or ensure that
they do not go down the road that I think would have so many negative effects perhaps I should
take umbrage.

However, as I do not see that the garment you have cut out is made to fit me at all nor anyone
else on this board that I have seen so far perhaps you would care to end all possible suspicion of
offense caused and explain either what or whom has framed their complaints/protests in such
a childish fashion?

Thanks Mr Hare, to show up and answer those questions even though many points remain unclear.

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Yes I have OS 4 running on an Amiga and elsewhere (that ought to start a new thread).

This scares me, though.

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Being one of those that have drawn negative inferences ( that I stand by ) and whom hopes to apply enough pressure to get Amiga Inc to either change their mind or ensure that they do not go down the road that I think would have so many negative effects perhaps I should take umbrage

Perhaps it is viewed as being 'childish' to conclude a position on inferences that may or may not be correct. Garry was very clear that the future plans of Amiga Inc will not be put in the public domain. So taking a strident position on what may or may not happen seems a little inappropriate.

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Care to highlight where that occurred.

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This scares me, though.

Ugh, why that?

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@Rogue

Yeah I wondered just the same thing

What's wrong with AmigaOS4 on Apple G5's? Ooops breaching
some NDA's...

Just look what EntilZha wrote some posts ago:
"What is possible is to port to a new PowerPC CPU. For example, it would be easy to
move to a 64 bit CPU like the 970 using the 32 bit bridge (important detal!)."




/Harry

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Care to highlight where that occurred.

Certainly. Top of page number 10.

10. Would I please disclose our strategy, features lists, partners, plans and the like?

No

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That isn't what I meant, I want you to identify where you think ( paraphrasing here on way to lunch ) such unreasonable speculation occurred and where you think I or others have been unreasonably dogmatic.

Personally I think everything is up for debate, discussion and speculation and it seems to me those that have a problem with this have not read the discussion threads properly.

Plus no one has yet asked them to break the assertion in no. 10, merely speculated on what the rest of the evidence means and where, if the speculation is accurate, it could do damage.