@toaks:
Quote:

too bad. but also good.

I know what you mean toaks, it's like the present situation too bad, but also good... We have much less Amigans then we used to, nonetheless it's too bad, but also good... the demise of Amiga OS exec as being the next generation Amiga OS on Gateway days and then on present Amiga Inc era also too bad, but also good...

We could have a better board with AmigaOS 4 at a lower price then we actually have, I know of course that this is 'too bad, but also good' that we haven't it...

_________________
Indigo 3D Lounge, my second home.
The Illusion of Choice | Am*ga

Quote:

As for the license: I still remember the AHT disaster. There was the board, there were Hyperion quite open to the project and so on, but the license was not given to AHT.

It wasn't that the license was flat-out denied. It was that AHT and Amiga Inc. couldn't agree on terms, and the negotiation stalled and fell apart. At least that's what we're told in some comments in a thread here a while ago. Troika may have been agreeable to the same terms, maybe the terms have adjusted and been agreeable, who knows what. It's not really the public's business exactly how it went or will go. No sane company should give out every single contract term it's accountable for to the public, nor should any sane company be required to inform the public in minute detail of each and every stage of their business dealings. Troika may or may not already have an OS4 license, but realize the motherboard is a very expensive project to invest in if there is no hope of a license.

I'd like all the people obsessed with the license sub-topic to relax, as that was surely one of the first things to look into before bothering to design a board, if nothing more than to find out how much it would affect the retail price for consumers, and determine if the market would bear such a price before wasting a lot of time and energy and especially their own money only to find later it won't work in the market.

_________________
All glory to the Hypnotoad!

Tomazkid:
Have a look at your bananas here..

Let's just hope that AMY'05 doesn't turn out to be AMY'06 or AMY'07.

_________________
My photos on Flickr

@billt

It looks to me as if both Troika-AHT have linux-centric hardware designs. Whether or not either company initiated projects excusively as Amigas, I do not know, but would doubt.. When Troiks has a prototype, It should work as a 'MythTV/kiosk box, and the actual non-vapour prototypes from AHT that Olegil -touched-, should be very popular, and versatile in the coming age of larger multifaceted phones, and smaller, more versatile computers.
If indeed AHT was license rejected due to price issues, and not personality cults, and Troika has managed to obtain a license at the premium demanded by Amiga Inc, so be it. If the dire straits of 'no hardware for OS4 release' has caused the license fee to go down, and there are no personality issues involved, I think AHT should get a new offfer. And, as an aside, it appears to be nearly an axiom of the universe, that people who let personality issues -always- take precedence over sound business practice, get less money than those who just 'get over it', and move ahead...

@samwel

Why use A1 megarray, when Mac megarray has actual working fast accelerrators in stores and warehouses, waiting for nice warm homes? This continued emphasis on reinventing the wheel, only to do it worse than the 'round' one, is astonishing. If you must have a new axle, at least use a wheel that you can buy! But I agree, selling without the cpu would be good, assuming Mac megarray connector...wouldn't have to be the first mobo revision, but I'd rather see it two months later, and cost some extra $$$, than have no choice at all...

Minator says:

You should be able to get Cell workstations within a few months, you can get them now but they're $25,000...

Quote:
3. OS4 isn't done yet- do you really think porting to a non-available system is a great idea right now??!!


There's a simulator due before the end of the year.

--

It's likely to be quite some time before anything even close to affordable becomes available (apart from the PS3). Probably closer to 12 months.

@Minator
The PS3 will likely be my first game console, and eUAE will be the first game system I put on the Linux part of the PS3....Slam Tilt, and ImageFX on a game console, awesome!

@ glokraw

Sorry how do you conclude troika are Linux orientated? Who
should buy the Troika board outside the OS4 world? There are many ppc
solutions out there already, proven and working. So who would buy
those boards? I do not see any potential customers for the Troika
board outside the OS4 world. The design is not suited to sell outside
the OS4 market (too expensive, no name, not proven, outdated
compounds). It will have the sae difficult stand as the uA1 had. And
that design also failed to sel outside the OS4 world.

But for AHT, yes they focus on Linux now, A Inc. missed their chance.

_________________
My programs: via.bckrs.de
MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001)

@ ironfist

Thanks

_________________
Site admins are people too..pooff!

@glokraw

People keep talking about the Mac megarray pinout, but is that really an open standard? Can anyone use it, or does it require a license from Apple? I suspect a license is required, if you know for a fact that one isn't, I really would like to know.

_________________
This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

It's not an Apple design but belongs to some other company. Just
google a bit...

_________________
My programs: via.bckrs.de
MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001)

Quote:

olegil @glokraw People keep talking about the Mac megarray pinout, but is that really an open standard? Can anyone use it, or does it require a license from Apple? I suspect a license is required, if you know for a fact that one isn't, I really would like to know.

Hi olegil,

I don't know, but, was a license needed for Amiga accelerators?

One CPU out, another one in, MacOS only running on the one CPU, seems legal. Now, a DUAL CPU board.....hmmmmm, legil breach?

You never need a license for acellerators, or other peripherals.

@Zylesea

Believe me, I've googled. Either give me a direct link or shut up


To clarify: I'm speaking of their pinout, not the connector itself (which is an FCI design). If you need to reverse engineer the Apple CPU connector to make a competing motherboard compatible then you could find yourself in a wee spot of trouble, legalwise.

Last edited by olegil on 27-Sep-2005 at 10:36 AM.

_________________
This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@ olegil

Ah - I see. I misread the pinout thing. That might be an apple design indeed, but I must confess I found no information regarding that, neither confirming nor confuting - sry.

_________________
My programs: via.bckrs.de
MorphOS user since V0.4 (2001)

Quote:

olegil wrote: To clarify: I'm speaking of their pinout, not the connector itself (which is an FCI design). If you need to reverse engineer the Apple CPU connector to make a competing motherboard compatible then you could find yourself in a wee spot of trouble, legalwise.

Hi olegil,

Except for, you only made a CPU module, and it can ONLY run Mac OS on an Apple made motherboard. On any other motherboard, it's not going to magically run MasOSX. If that was the case, wouldn't it have been able to do that with the previous CPU that was there already?

Comment 103:

Quote:

Removed: Reason, replying to a toll

How does one reply to a toll? Is that like telling the tollbridge to sod off?

_________________
Amon's digital home

It seems the Troika website got a small update. Memory spec has been changed to "Off the shelf PC100-133" and the retail price to "LESS than £400 Suggested UK". The FAQ now also got 1½ entries

@Atheist

If it was possible to confirm your guesses, things would have been nice and dandy. I cannot confirm your guesses, though. So either put up, or shut up. Reverse-engineering is NOT a way to start a hardware project, so the specification from Apple is needed. I have not been able to find this, and I suspect this is because you need a license to get it.

So there.

_________________
This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

FAQ updated

looks gooood !!

_________________
******************************************
I dont suffer from Insanity - I enjoy it

******************************************