@Rogue

With the "slight" exception that we are not even at step 2) yet.
There are not any pictures of the Amy'05 yet - I mean except some photographs of the "RAM", the northbridge, IDE-controller, etc.

Sure, photos don't "prove" anything, but they are easy to do and could actually raise the confidence that there actually is *something*.

So again, why did Troika decide to publish crippled photos of a "high-end" board at all? Maybe because they think that it would raise confidence that it's not just an empty announcement?

Exactly the same applies to Amy '05. Why do they put meaningless photos of RAM and IDE-controllers on the website, but OTOH decide not to publish any photos of the actual motherboard? Because there is not even a prototype yet. Ian Stedman announced on IRC that he is planning to show a prototype on the 12th of May. This didn't happen.

After all I don't get the impression that development is very far or that we will see a release in 2006. Surely, I'd like to be proven wrong on that.

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@ Jerry

Yeah that would be nice.... That way if they are available we may have attendees bringing along some second user XE's / A1c's for people to pick up on the cheap.

Maybe someone that has been following the News closer than I have could do a feature comparision as it stands between ACK and Troika offerings.

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No offense, but I see a pattern here: 1) Announcement by a company 1a) Any number of people call for pictures. "It's vapor without it" 2) Company releases pictures 2a) Any number of people call for prototype hardware. "It's vapor without it". Let's wait and see what 3) and 3a) will be.

The 'problem' is that we haven't yet left this pattern

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I see a pattern here: 1) Announcement by a company 1a) Any number of people call for pictures. "It's vapor without it" 2) Company releases pictures 2a) Any number of people call for prototype hardware. "It's vapor without it". Let's wait and see what 3) and 3a) will be.

3) Company relese prototype
3a)Any number of people call for a fully functional board "It's vapor without it".
4)Company relese final board revision with AOS4 running
4a)Any number of people call it vapour because "It's vapor If cannot buy it".
5)company relese first batch of board list for selling
5a)Any number of people call it vapour because it cost more that they can pay and "It's vapor if "I" cannot buy it".

Something like that??!!!

There are any number of people that only want to touch the........

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WoW !

That's great ! new motherboards I hope to have more new at Empoli Pianeta Amiga 2006

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Hey!!!!! With that forward may be it is true that Portugal will win the world cup

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Excellent news! I look forward to being able to buy some!

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Well... LOL! We should start a contest about who announces a more funny project (with pictures). But I'm afraid Elbox would win, they have the greatest experience in vapor-ware, althrough as I see some ppl try hard to be better :>

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Well... LOL! We should start a contest about who announces a more funny project (with pictures). But I'm afraid Elbox would win, they have the greatest experience in vapor-ware, althrough as I see some ppl try hard to be better :>

Will be very difficult to surpass Iwin, Merlancia or Metabox´s AmiJoe

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Sure, photos don't "prove" anything, but they are easy to do and could actually raise the confidence that there actually is *something*.

Er, I didn't deny that. I didn't shout "Photos prove nothing, this is vapor", did I?

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Great stuff! More! More!

OK, so we have the possibility of all sorts of new hardware. In my mind, the *real* test now will be the first one to demonstrate OS4 booting on their new hardware. Preferably at my house of course but I'll also take a live demo at my local Amiga users group meeting. Bring it on Troika, ACK, etc.

Note that Troika reps also linger in #amigaworld as well so grab WookieChat (or some lesser IRC client) and join in.

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Thanks for the update. Interesting.

Please stick to more regular updates.

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able to form new alliances

Please don't talk like Amiga Inc or Merlancia!
You'll be starting the next update with 'Yeehaw!' and Yesssssss, Rrrrrrrright, next.

You need to get this or any board out, post haste!

@hatschi
Surely the true test of actual progress must be seeing it boot into OS4. All this picture of the board stuff is rather rediculous to me. Demonstrate it running OS4 and then we have a milestone worth talking about don't you think?

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@hatschi Surely the true test of actual progress must be seeing it boot into OS4. All this picture of the board stuff is rather rediculous to me. Demonstrate it running OS4 and then we have a milestone worth talking about don't you think?

Absolutely. Pictures of the board are nice; pictures of the board connected and running OS4 are better; a video demo showing it running OS4 is even better; a live demo will silence even the biggest critics.

It's good to hear something concrete from them. Licensing an existing board was a wise move I think. Now show me the video!

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Demonstrate it running OS4 and then we have a milestone worth talking about don't you think?

Absolutely. Particularly because that would mean that another obstacle is overcome: Porting/modifying OS4 to do boot on Amy'05. In contrast to Adam, I've never heard that anyone from Troika is involved in OS-development. So theoretically someone would need to pay 20.000 EUR for porting.
Then the next obstacle is the license. Unfortunately, we still haven't heard any clear statement from Troika yet. The question in TA was most obviously dodged.

@Hans

Telepathy? After posting, I saw that you also answered with "Absolutely." Scary.

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@hatschi

Scary. Absolutely.

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@ Troika

It is good to see there is enough space and four mounting holes for a heatsink now.

A motherboard with Tsi-109 and a 7448 is nice, but what about the graphics board? Will this 'high end' motherboard have some kind of AGP or PCIe bridge, or is it PCI only?

Kind regards,

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