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Poster: Wizzard_o Date: 15-Jun-2007 0:34:20 Great, another Splinter group cashing in! so theres OS4,OS3.x,AROS X86, MOS and now AROS PPC? WHATS THE FEKIN POINT???

Err!!!!! what are you smoking? AROS was conceived since first as open source multiplatform AmigaOS reimplementation.That AROS is not available for more architectures is a matter of lack of developers.I hope to see a Xscale port anytime soon

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WHATS THE FEKIN POINT???

The point is to finally have more Amigaish OSes than Amiga-users.

Honestly, the point is to have choice. Especially since at least one of the OS that you mentioned is stuck in legal limbo-land.

And btw, AROS PPC is nothing new. It has been there for quite some time already.

@takemehomegrandma

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The developers kept on developing MorphOS...

Thanks for the overview!

I've always maintained that the various OS development groups would have been better served if they banded together but politics would have made that difficult from the outset.

It's interesting that Hyperion could prevail in the battle for OS4 and in the worst case all of this could come full circle if Amiga Inc has some real interest in the technology. By the same token, we could end up seeing a sanctioned version of OS4 for the Genesi hardware.

I respect AROS alot -I even participated in their logo contest-, same for ACube, I find both initiatives to be a fantastic effort, but, honestly, I don't see the point of doing two different ports of the same OS to one machine. Yes, be able to choose is good, but to put that much energy, energy that can be put in other things, looks to me like a waste of time. In other words, it would be like two different teams porting Windows 98 and Windows Me for the same machine, but different efforts.

Let's put it that way: I can see it will be done to bring ANY Amiga version to Amiga users and future consumers, and that's OK. But imagine that, whoever wins the current trial, it is willing to give a license to ACube and the OS4 port is finally, officially done. Then what? Mantain two version of the same OS?

Yes, I know there are alot of 'if' and 'maybe' in my reasoning, but it's very probable that it happens. Again, then what?

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I suspect it's more the fact that they just want to increase the overall appeal of the hardware by expanding the list of available operating systems.

No doubt, however, their timing on this stinks. If I were Hyperion, I would not exactly be very happy about this right now, not to mention that not all that long ago Hyperion was calling AROS and illegal port of the Amiga OS.

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@Wizzard_o

What's the point of AROS you say?
Resources are being wasted on it's development that could have been used on something else you say?

How do you know that these developers would be interested in developing anything else Amiga related? They are doing what they are doing because they want to, and if it were not for AROS they may well be working on Linux for what we know. Let people do what they enjoy.

My take is, development for the Amiga platform has only stagnated because there is no clear OS winner at the moment. If OS4 dies due to legalities MorphOS and AROS will gain more prominence. Once(or if) there is an official Amiga OS released I am sure things will start to take off. The worst thing that can happen is if the doubt as to OS4's legality continue to hang over like a dark cloud, because then you are less likely to get more developers on board de to fear of their efforts being wasted.

All these different Amiga-ish OSes are a good sign of not only interest, but that no matter what happens with all the egos involved that at least one will survive. It's like evolution. I think things will get even more interesting once AROS matures and there are multiple distros as there are for Linux. In fact, AmigaInc ought to consider creating an AROS distro(caled AmigaOS5) for an x86 based Amiga (built with Commodore of course). Why they need OS4 when the eventual goal has to be to build an x86 machine I don't know. Even if they get the source code It's not like it's going to be an easy port to get OS4 to x86.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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great news? you sure? what if they were forced to go with aros instead of os4? i hope not.

They stated from the beginning that they want to support all Amiga related OS (MOS as well), and Linux distros too. ACube is going to try to riunite the comunicty... and yes this is a great news.

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Exactly. This is the only way to beat the problem of the bad economies of scale - get as many people as possible to buy your stuff.

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Great, another Splinter group cashing in!

Today, AROS isn´t usable (at least for me: outdated kernel, bad stability, only few applications...).

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Thanks for the overview!

Glad to help!

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I've always maintained that the various OS development groups would have been better served if they banded together but politics would have made that difficult from the outset.

I don't agree, I think it's good that we have three options from developer teams with three visions and opinions. If one team makes strange development decisions for some reason, or if one option becomes locked down (like Amithlon) or dies altogether, then there will be alternatives. Competition is always good, and the strongest team with the best ideas and management will win in the end. No fun with Darwinism if there is only one specimen, right!

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It's interesting that Hyperion could prevail in the battle for OS4

They have prevailed?

The way I read it is that the judge denied a *preliminary* injunction, and Hyperion has followed up with a letter with rather bold claims. The way I read things, the "battle for OS4" is by no means over, rather the opposite. No-one has won any victory here. The only thing the judges proclamation means is that any hope for a quick solution is gone, and now we are in for a long-haul; a one hour oral hearing is by no means enough to justly settle this issue, the matter is way too complex for that, hence no *preliminary* injunction. The OS4 situation is more locked now then ever IMHO.

Wizzard_o:
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Great, another Splinter group cashing in! so theres OS4,OS3.x,AROS X86, MOS and now AROS PPC? WHATS THE FEKIN POINT???

Easy on m8,

First there was OS3.x, nothing new here, move along
Then it came MorphOS, followed by AROS, and finaly by AmigaOS4, nothing new here, nove along
AROS NEVER was tied to any hardware has it had HAL. It was also at some point in time in 68k, not to mention that it isn't tied to native only as it can also run hosted LINUX, nothing new here, move along

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They are seeing the OS4 door closing

Wrong, totally wrong.



Aros have the Amiga look and feel, despite the name change. Acube want to port more than one OS on Sam.

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One thing I am wondering is why Nusim want AROS to be ported to SAM440. Do they have some planned use for it?

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I don't agree, I think it's good that we have three options from developer teams with three visions and opinions.

That's a valid point when the market is large enough to sustain the development. But, one of these efforts is open source and the other 2 are dubious from a business standpoint. Having 3 operating systems to choose from is great if that's your main interest. If you want a platform for more general purpose use all 3 are dogs.

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They have prevailed?

"Could"...

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If I were Hyperion, I would not exactly be very happy about this right now, not to mention that not all that long ago Hyperion was calling AROS and illegal port of the Amiga OS

I would be suprised if Hyperion wasn't aware of this proposal, especially since they are partners.

However, if we've become aware of anything at this juncture it's that coordinating campaigns strategically is perhaps asking a bit much.

Hans:

Fictional scenario, Company "A" wants to build a product out of Hardware "Z" together with Operating system "W", that happens to be locked in a lawsuit for the time being.Currently they might happen to have found a temporary solution with the operating system "H" that has a somewhat common API to allow them finish a product on either case, be it by using the secondary solution because of lawsuit happenings, or having somewhat finished product to retouch once the lawsuit clears things.

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Quote: I don't agree, I think it's good that we have three options from developer teams with three visions and opinions. That's a valid point when the market is large enough to sustain the development. But, one of these efforts is open source and the other 2 are dubious from a business standpoint. Having 3 operating systems to choose from is great if that's your main interest. If you want a platform for more general purpose use all 3 are dogs.

You assume there is a *market* here in the first place, but actually there isn't. What we see here today is a gathering of anything between a few hundreds to a thousand or two people, a *community*. But this is by no means a market that could even *dream* of justifying the efforts of developing even *one* of the three OS's, *far* from it.

You shouldn't look at this community as a "market", because it isn't. No commercial efforts targeted to this community alone will pay off. One must keep that in mind.

The community however could play a part in the developments of any (and all) of the three OS's. The current Amiga community consists of "power users"/enthusiasts and developers. Everyone can benefit from this, including the community itself. IMHO there is no point in excluding anyone.

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Ah, sorry. I had just browsed through some other threads at this site, and with many naive statements fresh in my mind I simply misread your post. Your post was indeed not one of those.

Again, sorry about that!

Okey, I'll bite.

Why would I buy a Sam440 if it runs the same OS as i can get on my existing and probably better/cheaper/compatable i386 system?

I can see the logic of the time meaning AmigaOS4 and MorphOS went PPC on custom hardware but I see no reason to not keep with the dominent processor/computer system which is i386.

I don't wish to be negative guys, but well, sometimes it comes out that way.

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@Wizzard_o

"so theres OS4,OS3.x,AROS X86, MOS and now AROS PPC?"

There's AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS. Same as it ever was!

Chris