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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:03:53
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| Wow never saw anything like it :)
Very intersting to say the least :) _________________ SamFlex Complete 800Mhz System + AmigaOS 4.1 Update 4 Amiga 2000 DKB 2MB ChipRam GVP G-Force040 Picasso 2 OS3.9 BB2 AmigaCD 32
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:05:26
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| Impressive job! the first fractal with a sense, ever! _________________
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:08:56
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| Without the Amiga users, there would be no AmigaOS4, AROS or MorphOS. So you should thank all instead of publishing a video taking one side only. You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither. _________________ Regards, Michal, Amiga user since 1988 amitopia@gmail.com
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:11:19
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| @AmiDelf2 You want that video to do "too much" (mention anything Amigarelated) it's just a time line of the AmigaOS development, nothing more nothing less. _________________ SamFlex Complete 800Mhz System + AmigaOS 4.1 Update 4 Amiga 2000 DKB 2MB ChipRam GVP G-Force040 Picasso 2 OS3.9 BB2 AmigaCD 32
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:17:34
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:23:20
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You want that video to do "too much" (mention anything Amigarelated) it's just a time line of the AmigaOS development, nothing more nothing less. |
Indeed.
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If this were to be 'complete' as you suggest, where does it end? Should it also include all the spin-offs from AmigaOS? What about Autoconfig - should that then spawn into the evolution of windows plug'n'pray?
Any discrete development model is always going to be a simplification - otherwise all of history would be included. It is always a larf to see plans put together by Project Managers (and here's the two week design iteration phase... followed by final delivery)
From my perspective (which is sat in front of my Mac mini running MorphOS 2.5) your comments are not helpful, and will inevitably result in pollution of this thread. This does not serve an ambassadorial role for anyone or anything, and just serves to continually put off new users with in-fighting.
If you were to follow a more constructive route - perhaps make your own Gource animation including MorphOS, AROS, BeOS, etc - I'd be interested to hear your views & watch your animation. Note that I would also take time to defend your work against unhelpful/pointless comments also.
Best Regards
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EDITS: Minor spelling & formattingLast edited by Boot_WB on 05-Aug-2010 at 12:27 PM. Last edited by Boot_WB on 05-Aug-2010 at 12:25 PM.
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:28:46
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Without the Amiga users, there would be no AmigaOS4, AROS or MorphOS. So you should thank all instead of publishing a video taking one side only. You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither. |
You are reading too much into what's merely a visualization of the record of changes made to the AmigaOS source code. The story told directly follows the straight path of the Amiga's history without branching off or looping around. I consider this legitimate in this context.
There is, of course, a broader and deeper tale to be told, but it's not something you could tell in about seven minutes, which already compress more than 25 years of work.
Now if you wanted to take everything into account that got us here, then some mention would have had to be made of the MIT RadLab, without which there would be no modern microelectronics, and therefore no Amiga either Last edited by olsen on 05-Aug-2010 at 12:29 PM.
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:28:50
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Why is there no mention of? - USB addons for Amiga? |
You want to watch a video on USB addons?
I think that might come across as a little bit, well, weird.
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Because it's all a big conspiracy and Hyperion don't think we're on to them but we are.
The truth...
it's out there...
a little like you...Last edited by -Sam- on 05-Aug-2010 at 12:30 PM. Last edited by -Sam- on 05-Aug-2010 at 12:29 PM.
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:43:48
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If you were to follow a more constructive route - perhaps make your own Gource animation including MorphOS, AROS, BeOS, etc - I'd be interested to hear your views & watch your animation. |
Tough one... Gource is not an animation tool. What it does is visualize how changes made to a common repository of data (e.g. operating system source code) evolve over time. The keyword is "common": for Gource to work its magic you would have to squeeze MorphOS, AROS, BeOS, etc. into one single common repository and then extract a change timeline from that information.
This worked for AmigaOS because there exists a (relatively) unbroken record of changes since January 29, 1985 which almost all subsequent operating system development work that led up to AmigaOS4 built upon. It would work for any operating system source code whose roots can be directly traced back to its origin. |
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:57:52
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| @olsen Quote:
Gource is not an animation tool. What it does is visualize how changes made to a common repository of data (e.g. operating system source code) evolve over time. |
Correction noted: it's a bit like saying AutoCAD is a DWG creation tool. Whilst it may be capable of outputting DWGs, it is ultimately a design tool from which DWG drawings can be generated. _________________ Troll - n., A disenfranchised former potential customer who remains interested enough to stay informed and express critical opinions. opp., the vast majority who voted silently with their feet.
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 13:33:31
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It is a video showing AmigaOS code progression, not an Amiga history video: get the facts! It shows only part sof AmigaOS (1.x-4.x) coming to life. _________________ ikir
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 13:38:28
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| @amidelf2 Does hyperion even got the log for MOS, AROS development since the beginning??
This video was about the development of AmigaOS, so it would be silly to include every other OS based on it. I bet they dont even know the full history of those other amiga like OSes.
I also find it kinda funny how it was you who posted a thread about the camps war not long ago, but yet you are the only person here who did the exact thing in this thread. Last edited by Tomas on 05-Aug-2010 at 02:15 PM.
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 13:49:15
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| thanks for the video. will check them out in 2 hours when the download has finished. |
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 13:50:50
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Next: Future vision -version (rough roadmap) pleeaase.
UPDATE: "x1000 - the first AmigaOS computer since A4000T." Very bold statement, IMO.
I guess it means that x1000 is the first computer designed FOR AOS since A4000T. (Teron boards and ACube targeted also other markets) Last edited by KimmoK on 05-Aug-2010 at 02:03 PM.
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 14:02:52
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 14:04:57
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| @AmiDelf2 Stop doing that kind of comments. (It's unfortunate users have to tell that instead of moderators.) _________________ Rock lobster bit me. My Workbench has always preferences. X1000 + AmigaOS4.1 FE "Anyone can build a fast CPU. The trick is to build a fast system." -Seymour Cray
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 14:32:55
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No, i'm sure it means the first COMPUTER sold to run AmigaOS since the A4000T, as apposed to "just" a motherboard. _________________ Playstation Network ID: xeron6
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 15:15:35
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One of the sides should start to be honest and forget ignorance! |
The only thing dishonest here is ignoring the truth that there is indeed a single AmigaOS source tree and it evolved from 1.x to 4.x and hopefully beyond.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as they say but AmigaOS 4.x is not an imitation and that video helps support that point. Now you could argue that your favourite OS is "Amiga-like" or "inspired" or "influenced" or whatever but that does not change the hard cold fact that there is only a single AmigaOS code base and always has been.
Ignorance indeed. _________________ ExecSG Team Lead
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 15:56:33
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| @AmiDelf2 "You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither."
Is there a single line of AOS code written to support Draco? I doubt. That's why it's not visible, same for MOS & AROS. It's not part of AOS codebase.
Other than that & about those 31000 files of AOS.... Does it compile on AOS4 machine? Can it be built with just one command? What's the compilation time on SAM440ep with 512M? -"- on A1 G3 800Mhz? -"- on A1 G4 1000Mhz? -"- on A1x1k ? _________________ - KimmoK // For freedom, for honor, for AMIGA // // Thing that I should find more time for: CC64 - 64bit Community Computer?
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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development Posted on 5-Aug-2010 16:08:50
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What a wet dream - OS1.3PPC _________________ X1000|II/G4|440ep|2000/060|2000/040|1000
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