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Miscellaneous News   Miscellaneous News : Twenty-Five Years of Development
   posted by Rogue on 4-Aug-2010 19:05:59 (28514 reads)
As a celebration of the 25th anniversary of the Amiga computer, Hyperion Entertainment has made a video using the Gource CVS visualization software showing a time-compressed version of 25 years of Amiga development, from the early days of AmigaOS 1.0 to the present. Personal commentary added by one of the current core full-time AmigaOS developers, Hans-Joerg Frieden (a.k.a. "Rogue")

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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development
Posted on 5-Aug-2010 12:03:53
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Wow never saw anything like it :)

Very intersting to say the least :)


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Impressive job! the first fractal with a sense, ever!


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Without the Amiga users, there would be no AmigaOS4, AROS or MorphOS. So you should thank all instead of publishing a video taking one side only. You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither.


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You want that video to do "too much" (mention anything Amigarelated) it's just a time line of the AmigaOS development, nothing more nothing less.


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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development
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@ Rogue

Nice post, about time you post something for the negative commenting people towards the Amiga OS4.x developments to view at.

@ ssloie

So true, I am certain though that there were people that did give up developments though, who these people were we wont know I suppose.

To those that continued for their own reasons and causes, thank you.

No wait, "THANK YOU" sincerely.

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You want that video to do "too much" (mention anything Amigarelated) it's just a time line of the AmigaOS development, nothing more nothing less.

Indeed.

@Amidelf2

If this were to be 'complete' as you suggest, where does it end? Should it also include all the spin-offs from AmigaOS? What about Autoconfig - should that then spawn into the evolution of windows plug'n'pray?

Any discrete development model is always going to be a simplification - otherwise all of history would be included. It is always a larf to see plans put together by Project Managers (and here's the two week design iteration phase... followed by final delivery)

From my perspective (which is sat in front of my Mac mini running MorphOS 2.5) your comments are not helpful, and will inevitably result in pollution of this thread. This does not serve an ambassadorial role for anyone or anything, and just serves to continually put off new users with in-fighting.

If you were to follow a more constructive route - perhaps make your own Gource animation including MorphOS, AROS, BeOS, etc - I'd be interested to hear your views & watch your animation.
Note that I would also take time to defend your work against unhelpful/pointless comments also.

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EDITS: Minor spelling & formatting

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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development
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Without the Amiga users, there would be no AmigaOS4, AROS or MorphOS. So you should thank all instead of publishing a video taking one side only. You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither.


You are reading too much into what's merely a visualization of the record of changes made to the AmigaOS source code. The story told directly follows the straight path of the Amiga's history without branching off or looping around. I consider this legitimate in this context.

There is, of course, a broader and deeper tale to be told, but it's not something you could tell in about seven minutes, which already compress more than 25 years of work.

Now if you wanted to take everything into account that got us here, then some mention would have had to be made of the MIT RadLab, without which there would be no modern microelectronics, and therefore no Amiga either

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Why is there no mention of? - USB addons for Amiga?


You want to watch a video on USB addons?

I think that might come across as a little bit, well, weird.

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Why does Hyperion ignore all these parts which is the fact that They live and have survived until now.


Because it's all a big conspiracy and Hyperion don't think we're on to them but we are.

The truth...

it's out there...

a little like you...

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Re: Twenty-Five Years of Development
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If you were to follow a more constructive route - perhaps make your own Gource animation including MorphOS, AROS, BeOS, etc - I'd be interested to hear your views & watch your animation.


Tough one... Gource is not an animation tool. What it does is visualize how changes made to a common repository of data (e.g. operating system source code) evolve over time. The keyword is "common": for Gource to work its magic you would have to squeeze MorphOS, AROS, BeOS, etc. into one single common repository and then extract a change timeline from that information.

This worked for AmigaOS because there exists a (relatively) unbroken record of changes since January 29, 1985 which almost all subsequent operating system development work that led up to AmigaOS4 built upon. It would work for any operating system source code whose roots can be directly traced back to its origin.

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@olsen
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Gource is not an animation tool. What it does is visualize how changes made to a common repository of data (e.g. operating system source code) evolve over time.


Correction noted: it's a bit like saying AutoCAD is a DWG creation tool. Whilst it may be capable of outputting DWGs, it is ultimately a design tool from which DWG drawings can be generated.


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@AmiDelf2

It is a video showing AmigaOS code progression, not an Amiga history video: get the facts! It shows only part sof AmigaOS (1.x-4.x) coming to life.


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@amidelf2
Does hyperion even got the log for MOS, AROS development since the beginning??

This video was about the development of AmigaOS, so it would be silly to include every other OS based on it. I bet they dont even know the full history of those other amiga like OSes.

I also find it kinda funny how it was you who posted a thread about the camps war not long ago, but yet you are the only person here who did the exact thing in this thread.

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thanks for the video. will check them out in 2 hours when the download has finished.

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Next: Future vision -version (rough roadmap) pleeaase.

UPDATE: "x1000 - the first AmigaOS computer since A4000T." Very bold statement, IMO.

I guess it means that x1000 is the first computer designed FOR AOS since A4000T. (Teron boards and ACube targeted also other markets)

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@Rogue
That was really interesting and fascinating ! Also that eLap video was good to see and I would say it was even important to make it public.

Now make a new video to show future plans for AmigaOS !?


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@AmiDelf2
Stop doing that kind of comments. (It's unfortunate users have to tell that instead of moderators.)


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@KimmoK

No, i'm sure it means the first COMPUTER sold to run AmigaOS since the A4000T, as apposed to "just" a motherboard.


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One of the sides should start to be honest and forget ignorance!

The only thing dishonest here is ignoring the truth that there is indeed a single AmigaOS source tree and it evolved from 1.x to 4.x and hopefully beyond.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as they say but AmigaOS 4.x is not an imitation and that video helps support that point. Now you could argue that your favourite OS is "Amiga-like" or "inspired" or "influenced" or whatever but that does not change the hard cold fact that there is only a single AmigaOS code base and always has been.

Ignorance indeed.


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@AmiDelf2
"You haven't mentioned Draco the Amiga 68k clone neither."

Is there a single line of AOS code written to support Draco? I doubt.
That's why it's not visible, same for MOS & AROS. It's not part of AOS codebase.


Other than that & about those 31000 files of AOS....
Does it compile on AOS4 machine?
Can it be built with just one command?
What's the compilation time on SAM440ep with 512M?
-"- on A1 G3 800Mhz?
-"- on A1 G4 1000Mhz?
-"- on A1x1k ?


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What a wet dream - OS1.3PPC


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