@AmigaHeretic

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Exactly. Which was my point. Amiga != Amigaos And there is no thing such as Amigaos 1.0 as falsely posted in the news item. Neither you nor A-Eon or Eyetech have the right to use the name Amiga. Please stop spreading miss information with your trying to make Amiga Workbench 1.0 look like it is Amigaos 1.0.

You're quite right.. Amiga is not AmigaOS! Amiga is the whole system hardware+software.

Also you're right that Commodore didn't name it AmigaOS or Amiga OS officially back
then. Because it was mostly run from disk they simply called it AmigaDOS or Workbench.
Although it was widely known that Workbench was the workspace/filehandler.
They called it Amiga Operating System in the manuals or devbooks though..
And btw what is OS abbriviated from?

AmigaOS/Amiga OS are brands, both the same. Commodore didn't use them, but so what?
It's still the official continuation of AmigaOS 3.1 (note; officially called so when released).

A-eon and Hyperion has the right to call their product "Amiga One", "AmigaOne",
"Amiga OS" and "AmigaOS", that's a fact. They can't release a product named ONLY
"AMIGA". But then again Commodore never did that either so what's the problem???


@Rogue

Btw are you guy's allowed to call A1-X1000 "Amiga" in adds?
Like"Feel the power of the all new Amiga." Or do you have to add something like..
"Feel the power of the all new AmigaOS compatible AmigaOne computer"

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@AmigaHeretic

I think that some AROS code was used in OS3.9. Thus it could be also in OS4 today.

@eliyahu

Yes great times ! Even now its great - we need some good OS4 system brochures .

@pavlor

Nope - They took a look at how the Colorwheel.gadget interfaced and decided to create their own.

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@AmigaHeretic

"is Sebastian Bauer still on the Amigaos team?"

hey, you admitted that Amigaos existed and still exist.


@thread

Nice picture of COMMODORE Amiga OS 3.1 Workbench manual:
http://www.ntrautanen.fi/computers/commodore/images/amiga/os_31_wb.jpg

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@asymetrix

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Nope - They took a look at how the Colorwheel.gadget interfaced and decided to create their own.

Good to know. Is there any source of informations regarding OS3.9 development and AROS?

@pavlor

it would be best to ask H & P or look at a few comments on ann.lu

AFAIK there is no development for 'regarding OS3.9 development and AROS' they are both seperate.

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@asymetrix

I meant story behind OS3.9 and possible use of (or inspiration by) AROS code.

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hey, you admitted that Amigaos existed and still exist.

?? Yeah, it exists. The first incarnation of something called "Amigaos" was Hyperions Amigaos 4.0

It existed and still exists. It's that thing that came out after AROS and has some AROS source code in it.

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@KimmoK

I like your avatar. Problem is it isn't remotely accurate.

AROS started in 1995

Amiga Workbench 3.5 released in 1999 used AROS source code.

Amigaos 4.0 released in 2004 used AROS source code.

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@AmigaHeretic

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The first incarnation of something called "Amigaos"

The first incarnation of something called "Amigaos" was officially released today by AmigaHeretic in some of his posts...

As I wrote in post 48, even Dave Haynie (in 1989) and Andy Finkel (in 1986) called operating system of Amiga computers "Amiga OS". Today, Hyperion uses both "Amiga OS" (eg. in end user licence agreement) and "AmigaOS" (eg. in press releases).

I firstly thought that your usage of small letters for OS was done only to ease your writing (to press shift key is so boring... even for me). Now I fear it was intentional. It is not polite to write in such way: I would never write "Morphos", because I know there are some people offended by it, thus I write "MorphOS".

@AmigaHeretic

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Amiga Workbench 3.5 released in 1999 used AROS source code.

HaP used the name AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 (Source: HaP page).

For OS4 name see my prior post.

I would like to see some source for this OS3.5/3.9 and AROS story - it is (would be) interesting part of Amiga history.

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As I wrote in post 48, even Dave Haynie (in 1989) and Andy Finkel (in 1986) called operating system of Amiga computers "Amiga OS".

You miss the point or rather you are arguing it backwards. If Dave and Andy want to call Amiga Workbench/DOS/Kickstart > Amiga Operating System or even shorten it to Amiga OS or whatever that is fine.

Fact: Hyperion can not call AmigaOS 4 > Amiga.

Fact: A-Eon cannot call A1-X1000 > Amiga.

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@AmigaHeretic

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Fact: A-Eon cannot call A1-X1000 > Amiga.

They can call it "Amiga One"... Yes, I know it is hard day for you- too much dreams broken...

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If Dave and Andy want to call Amiga Workbench/DOS/Kickstart > Amiga Operating System or even shorten it to Amiga OS or whatever that is fine.

As I wrote and documented, It was "Amiga OS" since the beginning. It was Amiga OS in 1986, 1990, 1999 and is it still in 2010. I don´t think it is too hard to understand.


To sum it up:
Hyperion uses original "Amiga OS" name for OS4...
Hyperion used original "Amiga OS" source code for OS4...
Conclusion: OS4 is Amiga OS. If you don´t agree, tell me, where is my logic wrong.

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They can call it "Amiga One"... Yes, I know it is hard day for you- too much dreams broken...

No. They call it "AmigaOne". Not "Amiga" One. They can't and don't say, here is an "Amiga" motherboard.

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Hyperion uses original "Amiga OS" name for OS4...

Not after the lawsuit, they now use the name "AmigaOS" for their OS. Not "Amiga" OS.


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Conclusion: OS4 is Amiga OS. If you don´t agree, tell me, where is my logic wrong.

Conclusion AmigaOS is not Amiga.

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@AmigaHeretic

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No. They call it "AmigaOne". Not "Amiga" One. They can't and don't say, here is an "Amiga" motherboard.

Did you read the September 30 Settlement Agreement?

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Not after the lawsuit, they now use the name "AmigaOS" for their OS. Not "Amiga" OS.

Did you read the September 30 Settlement Agreement?

According to the Settlement Agreement Hyperion can use names "Amiga OS", "AmigaOS", "Amiga One" and "AmigaOne".

I think that video has made good to people around these Amiga related discussion forums ! The truth have been out there all the time but now it's even more visual (besides using the AmigaOS itself) !

Many people will now have to learn to live with the truth !

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@AmigaHeretic

Doubtlessly I am wasting my time here but for the record:

I realise your optical nerves and neurons do not operate in the same manner than that of the majority of people here but please note that Hyperion has an exclusive license to use both "AmigaOS" and "Amiga OS" trademarks as per the settlement with Amiga Inc and their shareholders. (Incidentally, Hyperion has been using these terms since 2001 and under US trademark law this confers a valid trademark which was not abandoned in the settlement agreement).

Please re-read the settlement agreement instead of making a total fool out of yourself (again).

In the end, for reasons of consistency, we decided to adopt "AmigaOS". We could have used "Amiga OS" as well but we made a choice not to. Note that Amiga Inc. is precluded from using the term "Amiga operating system".

As was demonstrated by many on this thread, the term "Amiga OS" or "Amiga operating system" was coined and used in the days of Commodore and subsequently adopted for Amiga OS 3.5 and Amiga OS 3.9.

To the best of my knowledge there is no AROS code in AmigaOS 4.x.

Hyperion never had access to the work done by H&P on 3.5 and 3.9 because of a dispute between Amiga Inc. and H&P.

The 3.5 and 3.9 functionality was either reproduced from scratch or dropped from the distribution.

All of this is documented in the court documents and is public knowledge.

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Conclusion AmigaOS is not Amiga.

Maybe this can all be solved if you just change your nick to @AmigaOSHeretic.

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I realise your optical nerves and neurons do not operate in the same manner than that of the majority of people

Reported for childish personal attack. Really?

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To the best of my knowledge there is no AROS code in AmigaOS 4.x. Hyperion never had access to the work done by H&P on 3.5 and 3.9 because of a dispute between Amiga Inc. and H&P.

I was just going by what Hans said years back on Ann.lu (2003). That code in 3.5 was from AROS and the 3.5 code was copied into OS4.

Which would mean both AROS code is in OS4 and that 3.5 code was in OS4.

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Maybe this can all be solved if you just change your nick to @AmigaOSHeretic.

Ha ha! That is an awesome idea!

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