@Linnar
Don't be a Troll with the stupid Hyperion OS comments please...

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@DAX ... and you better please stop calling someone a troll, because he just suggested to rename the OS to HyperionOS? No?

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@Leo: Quote: What about renaming the OS ? What's the use of having it named AmigaOS ? Why not HyperionOS? Hyperion is a cool name! Whoever invented it has a sense of what is sanctioned by the people.

Have you ever heard of BRAND VALUE?

@Pekr
No.
The intention is clearly to delegitimate AmigaOS and make it appear as an alien OS in the same manner of other clones.

Which is bordering defamation and other trolling rants I heard over and over from other camps supporters.

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The intention is clearly to delegitimate AmigaOS and make it appear as an alien OS in the same manner of other clones.

But yet it is. You know all that 'swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth, so help me God' thing? Unless They've committed perjury it's way explicit by Hyperion that no OS3.1 were harmed, so live with it, or (a) go to amigans.net cry about how bad folks AW really are or (b) go check for some data on justia backing your reasoning up.

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@Pixie
And yet it is not.
AmigaOS has its own hystory full of hurdles which leads to the only AmigaOS now owned by Hyperion.
What? If they delivered it to Ainc as per original contract it was Amiga OS and now that they get to keep it it is something else?
Only AW member that a long time ago decided to endorse other unofficial initiatives would say such nonsense (and if fact we get a 1:1 ratio in that regard) but no ex-amigan coming back after a long time (like myself), would ever consider side projects that were born as replacement of a supposedly dead OS, as anything more than failed attempts of doing that.

Now there is no more Dead OS to replace thank goodness...

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Amiga OS4 doesn't uses 3.1 sources, period. If this don't make it as alien as any other of the clones I don't know what does.

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@xeron
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Quote: I'm sure that Hyperion OS can be and will be better. But I want to use an Amiga OS so I'll wait a little longer. What is Hyperion OS? Never heard of it. AmigaOS4.1, however, I'm using right now and i love it.

I meant Hyperion AmigaOS and distinguishes it from Amiga Inc AmigaOS which they called for OS5 so far.

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@ DAX
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@Linnar Don't be a Troll with the stupid Hyperion OS comments please...

I do not understand the question!?
What does "troll"?

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I see it blown up to a bit rough weather because of the way I expressed myself. I have been a bit difficult for English so it might be wrong sometimes.
So here I mean:
AmigaOS is just a name, basically you can naming newest Ford for the same name unless the rights of the brand stopped.
The name AmigaOS has a history that is well known but that does not mean that that is an Amiga operating system. On the other hand, it is an Amiga operating system because the Amiga Inc. indicated the specification for it and then hired out the development.
Now it is obvious that the Amiga Inc. released AmigaOS and the sense is no longer an Amiga operating system with a small "question mark" because we have not seen the agreement between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Perhaps the contract written so that you can still call for AmigaOS one Amiga Inc operating system developers, support and distributed by Hyperion. If it is not so, I think that AmigaOS is not a real AmigaOS without a retro-clone of OS3.1.
It's just my opinion and nothing else. Freedom of expression is important in order to wave it away with a few phrases.

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Sorry for the "troll" part then, I misunderstood what you wrote.
?They (Ainc.) have basically lost AmigaOS to Hyperion. There will never be any other AmigaOS from Ainc. and from now on Hyperion is the sole owner and producer of new AOS iterations.
As for retrocompatibility you can use a ton of apps out of the box (ImageFX, Lightwave, ArtEffect and much more), and Aos retains more compatibility with old applications than many modern OSs (ie Windows Vista).
More goodies will be coming our way soon, this is a great moment for AmigaOS.

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@DAX:
"Sorry for the "troll"
No problem from my side!

You write that:
"There will never be any other AmigaOS from Ainc. "

Nobody has seen the agreement between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Therefore, one can hardly say that Amiga Inc should not develop its own operating system. By contrast, they might not call the operating system for AmigaOS. I think also that the agreement says that Amiga Inc should not develop the OS for PPC or the like.
Thus, they can then develop a operating system for PCs called Workbench 4.0 or whatever they want to call it. I guess it's just that Amiga Inc dealt with for some time.
Note that I guess.

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@pixie

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Amiga OS4 doesn't uses 3.1 sources, period. If this don't make it as alien as any other of the clones I don't know what does.

??? If you read through the court documents (AI vs Hyperion case), you will see that Hyperion used OS3.1 (and some OS3.5/3.9) sources for development of OS4...

The Truth can be Awful

@pixie
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Amiga OS4 doesn't uses 3.1 sources, period.

Interesting. Olaf 'Olsen' Barthel had the OS3.1 sources - a started translating BCPL (not sure here...) and assembler stuff to C - goal: The road to PPC or whatever-the-NG-system-might-be binaries.

And you really think this work was done to do OS4 from the scratch again? The successive translation and adaption of the OS3.1 base into native PPC binaries might be a reason why especially OS4.0 (and all that pre-versions) slowly grew from a somewhat crude PPC/68k mixture to "all PPC" (except i.e. Rexx ). It is true indeed that the OS4 team had no to special OS3.5 or OS3.9 sources. But on the other hand some of the OS3.5/.9 coders were contributers for OS4 later...

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@pavlor

Many of the people here don't read the court documents.. they just assume things...
And that's make all this mess even more sad...

But... ssschhh... I

They know it all...

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Nah, they don't assume things. They get told things by people who go through life believing what they want to believe because it allows them to chest beat and call themselves a victim.

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Interesting. Olaf 'Olsen' Barthel had the OS3.1 sources - a started translating BCPL (not sure here...) and assembler stuff to C - goal: The road to PPC or whatever-the-NG-system-might-be binaries.

They might had access but told they were no use. In the end what they tried to convey just on how OS4 wasn't a derived work and how 4 had nothing to do with 3.1 so that Amiga Inc couldn't touch it...

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@pixie

Please read this then.

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Yes, even S.Solie was asked about the source code and if it was totally new and written from scratch (at the recent Amiwest), and the reply was that NO there is a single source code that builds upon 3.1 and eveloves from there.

I don't think building 4.0 from a 100% blank canvas was even an option...

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@DAX

Thanks for the clarification.

Hope it helps..

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