@PulsatingQuasar

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Well thank god for that. No hardware available when OS 4 is released would be a disaster.

And I think it good that Troika made new Mainboard for OS4

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@ olegil

Helgis is just pushing your buttons! He probably will need rib surgery soon, from laughing at how fast he can get you to respond. He's surely got it down to time trials by now! He is -SO- devious...
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@ Enthilza:

I like your current avatar! Its CHEERSful!!!

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@Samwel
"Eyetech has emailed some dealers that they will not be delivering any µA1-C
boards anytime soon"

If the truth comes close to this, and going by my guesses in another thread that the Troika board will never get an OS4 license, then I think we can really kiss the whole OS4 dream goodbye. Hyperion have an awesome OS, but due to contractual obligations to some really stupid other companies, it seems like there will be no hardware to run it.

Things seem worse than ever, so I can only hope for some good news eventually.

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Hello,

Just a quick clarification on the pricing.

The pricing @ http://www.troikang.com/compare.htm is a bit misleading (but is due for correction soon).

400 UKP is the price that you the customer, would pay for the board with all taxes included.

The Q&A section of the website is being worked on as I type and should be online in the next few days.

Thanks for your support.

Ian
Developer
Project Prometheus
http://www.troikang.com

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400 UKP is the price that you the customer, would pay for the board with all taxes included.

I thought this mobo was supposed to be "low cost"?? I can understand wanting to give conservative estimates, but thats virtually the same as what we paid for our A1's.

I would think most customers would pay a $100-$150 premium for a Mac compatible megarray connector, even if it meant shipping with no CPU, only the slot available. When I see 1.8 speed G4 accelerators for the old Mac Cube, I think, why not for a new A1 design?
Do you have the OS4 license, officially?
Good luck on all your projects!

It's great news that Troika's Amy is well into development and will fill the void. It sucks having no available hardware to run OS4.

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Just a quick clarification on the pricing. The pricing @ http://www.troikang.com/compare.htm is a bit misleading (but is due for correction soon). 400 UKP is the price that you the customer, would pay for the board with all taxes included. The Q&A section of the website is being worked on as I type and should be online in the next few days. Thanks for your support.

With or without OS4?

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1) Why bother designing a new motherboard if Eyetech is walking away from Amiga production???? They should just let GuruMeditation use the microAmigaOne design, and anything that exists of microAmigaOne-I and the A1-XC blueprints/schematics that have been rendered.

There is possibility that there is something regarding the MicroAmigaOne design that is problematic, and has nothing to do with Eyetech wanting or not wanting to do something. Perhaps some particular component is no longer available, and replacing that component would mean a new design, which Alan mentioned in his 20 answers they would rather not get involved in doing a new design to get the uA1 back into production again. Just about any component could cause such a problem, ethernet chip, sound chip, northbridge, Megarray connector, IDE chip, etc. but this is all speculation of possible causes that would be legitimately outside of Eyetech's control.

If my above speculation has any truth in it, then a new MicroAmigaOne design would take a while to rework whatever needs changed to be buildable again. Well, Troika is already pretty far down that road, plus they don't use the Articia chip that so many love to hate around here. For all we know it's also a new opportunity for Eyetech and their plans in China, if standard/current Linux kernels will work with DMA well, which any large customer would likely demand.

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2) If they're walking, rather bloody rude of them not to tell us!!!!

While no more AmigaOnes could potentially be the same as Eyetech walking, it's not necessarily the same thing. I'll hold my own comments on this until we truely know for sure.

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Hello,..

I am just wondering. Why cant Hyperion ship AmigaOS4 for PegasosII? Genesi have said that they would have no problems with that.

Is the difficult part that PegasosII have Smart Firmware and not UBOOT or?

I would never buy this Troika. Sorry,...

- No AGP port
- NO DDR-RAM slot
- No Firewire port

PegasosII motherboard offers all of this, and is even cheaper than Troika also.

I want AmigaOS4 and I am sure that the OS4 userbase would double!


Regards,
Michal, www.amitopia.no

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I am just wondering. Why cant Hyperion ship AmigaOS4 for PegasosII? Genesi have said that they would have no problems with that. Is the difficult part that PegasosII have Smart Firmware and not UBOOT or?

Oh god, not this again.

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I would never buy this Troika. Sorry,... - No AGP port - NO DDR-RAM slot - No Firewire port

Fair enough about AGP and DDR RAM, but Firewire?? what uses that on Amiga and Amiga-like systems??

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I want AmigaOS4 and I am sure that the OS4 userbase would double!

Yeah right.

A licence from Amiga Inc. That's what stopping them.

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Fair enough about AGP and DDR RAM, but Firewire?? what uses that on Amiga and Amiga-like systems??

Okay, I agree on the one point: most of us don't use or need Firewire... No big deal. But the board (Peg II) only cost $499 or you can have a whole system with 512MB DDR Ram, 80GB hard drive, Dual layer DVD R/RW, and 1GHz G4 (not a G3) for $799. That is what we need, putting all politics aside.

I'll be the first to tell you how much I dislike a certain person from that other company, but I would gladly buy a Peg II to run OS4 if it were available. And yes, that is exactly what would likely double the OS4 market "overnight". I would be willing to bet you would see the market more than double, even if you had to add $200 onto the full system price above to pay for the OS4 license.

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Guru Meditation and Troika join forces

Congratulations to all involved.

I'm going to follow this development some more before I wade into the discussion regarding hardware specs. Best to reserve judgement until some more facts are known and the board is seen working.

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redfox

@redfox

No license, and no prototype. I think I'll put a large grain of salt on ebay, and watch the bidding take off...
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Fair enough about AGP and DDR RAM, but Firewire?? what uses that on Amiga and Amiga-like systems??

The same arguement could be said for USB2.0. Without support of various interfaces, then
the usefulness of the platform is limited. Just like good USB support opens the doors for
various equipment such as MIDI, cameras, scanners, printers etc, firewire support would
help open the door for more video devices and external storage that performs better with
firewire. Granted the usefulness of firewire is currently null, but if it was there, then I bet
we would see some development happen to take advantage of it.

C Snyder

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Thanks to Troika for making an effort, and a low cost board!

But that can't stop my overall dissatisfaction about the current range of hardware for OS4. I think we're going backwards all the time. The A1 range were third generation hardware, and this new Troika board are in certain areas a fourth gen board.

Makes me wonder if the name Amiga will ever be considered "state of the art", like it was in the past. I happen to think that the Cell chip is the only way forward for the amiga now........nothing else! - I'd rather wait 2-3 more years to see AOS utilize the Cell processor family than having a G3, pci, sdram, board.

I would not even dare tell my friends about these specs, nor will I have the guts to look them in their eyes and see the "oh your kinda cute, with your little specced hobby computer" expression all over their face...........damn!!!

I have been hoping for so long, and I think that Eyetech are a bunch of whimps!, who can't see how big they could make this market by just releasing a winner design. Who gives a damn about chinese #### markets, it's like commodore all over again who suddenly wanted to sell pc's in the middle of their finest hour. Eyetech and Troika are building obsolete systems for a true power OS, with many potential customers (yeah they are still out there dreaming of their amiga epoke, and want a second shot)

Just to bad Eyetech or whoever has anything to say can't see it.

Someone please make a Cell based Amiga computer, and see this market skyrocket once more!!

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@Hondo_DK

Well, you have to give the guys a chance. They need to start somewhere, and expecting them to revolutionise the computer world from their very first product seems a TAD optimistic. It's a sufficiently complex design for me (and I really am a hardware/firmware/software designer in my day job) to like it (I agree that 400UKP isn't low enough priced, but I bet the price would come down if they reached critical mass, production-wise).

About Cell-base miggys, there doesn't exist a SINGLE Cell-based product on the market, and OS4 hasn't even been released for ONE PPC-based product, so I would say a bit of a wait is in order. First we need to see a final release of OS4 for the planned platforms, then the logical step is to focus on extending the hardware support (and of course porting/writing more software).

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

yeah, well...
we have a new board soon, that is a bit underspecced. Its cheaper, and does not use the Articia. When i read the forums before, in fact that WAS sth a lot of people cried for. Now we have one, and it would help in the terms of: price, compatibility, and availability - three major points that were always criticized here and elsewhere.

What baffles me is that some people seem to think that they need a 2,5 - 3,2 Ghz board to run OS4. yea you would surely have something if only want to boast about stupid Ghz values with your friends. What software is there to use that power ? Very smart, really. Note that i can fully understand that quite a lot of people would like to have something more powerful than a G3 @ 800 Mhz. If a solution with a G4 considerably above 1 Ghz would come out, i might even be inclined to buy a second os4-ready board. But saying that without a G5 or a Cell OS4 is not worth the ride just lacks reality. I repeat, show me the current software that makes use of that kind of horsepower or even better NEEDS the speed to run fluid and then i would agree. We are not talking about Windows, nor do we have the software to need 2,5 Ghz to use the OS.

People should take this board for what it is, a solution for a part of the problems related to A1. This is an improvement, and they never announced that they would deliver sth else - a low-end board that is cheaper then existing solutions and that will have a higher availability than those.