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OS4 is a PPC solution and not a 68k solution, thus your reasoning doesn´t make much sense. Would a Classic OS9 solution really be appealing to OSX users (or even worse 68k mac vs ppc), and could one make any real assumptions based on the sales for either system, i don´t think so.

Added to that, the fact that several people have stated here that they are unwilling to buy a 68k version unless there is a native OS4 version in the works (and im included in that number - in fact I wont buy a 68k version full stop especially after Titans earlier comments on OS4). Personally I dont see that MOS is currently any more profitable than AOS4 (or vice versa) and as such any decision to develop for one over the other is purely a matter of personal preference/choice. And I'm not going into which I believe has the greater chance of success either.

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@ Kronos

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t definitly requires the purchase of a A1 (full system).

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. There's also AmigaOS4 for PPC equipped classic systems and maybe there would be a possibility to lent hardware. IMO: "When there is a will, there's a way."

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It may even require a change in the licence from logikware (again $$$$).

I don't think so. At least Michael Garlich didn't point to this as a possible reason, when I communicated with him regarding this topic a few days earlier.

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I am very interested to buy a PPC AmigaOS4 version (just one more in the list for Titan).

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I would gladly purchase an OS4 native version and of course review it (and therefore hopefully increase awareness/sales) in Total Amiga

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@ All:
Like almost all here I, too, would like a AOS 4 version, but I also "preordered" Papyrus Office 68K. Why? I have Turbo Print on my A1,
and AmigaWriter and WordWorth(5) but AmigaWriter is pretty ideosyncratic
and WordWorth(5) is pretty old and not all of it works correctly under the current AO4 as noted by several.
I don't think a "new" AOS program is apt to have many of the 68K problems found with older 68K programs and I think it will be easy to port to AOS 4 at sometime in the future as this market expands.
Remember that the JIT is just in the future; I don't think that speed or responsiveness is going to be a problem.
Finally, this program(and Company) has been around for other OS's for some time. If I understand the web site correctly it has now been released for MOS, so the "amiga-land" problem of pre-ordering stuff only to find out that the software/hardware is never completed and the company disappears is much reduced.
My 10 cents ($0,02 x 5) worths.

Cheers, R.G.

i want OS4 native please ...

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sometime back ago Titain made the choice to support MOS over AOS4 as it saw in it's oppion that MOS was really the viable option. Granted that is Titains choice and like any other company must follow the business model they have set.
With MOS recieving a full PPC native version I don't think it is perticular fair of titain to now decide it will offer an Amiga 68 version to A1 owners. (To classic Amiga owners it is fine) To see how many of them will buy it before it decides to develope a AOS4 native version. After all it was Titans prefrence to develope a MOS version and classic version.( they could have also developed a AOS 4 version along with MOS ).

Why should AOS 4 owners have to be stuck with a 68k Version? Would MOS owners want a 68K version? lets be fair offer a AOS native version too and see how fast you can keep up with the orders. We need software like this on the Amiga and we need developers like Titan to understand this.

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The problem would be the printers supported in OS4.0. TurboPrint has so many supported printers and they add to them all the time. How long is it going to take till we have that many supported in OS.4.0?

Why is this a reason to require Turboprint? I have a printer that is perfectly well supported by the existing OS4 printer drivers, so I don't need Turboprint.

I suspect the reason for this requirement is so the data can be sent as fonts+text to the driver, rather than having to be converted to a bitmap by Papyrus. If this is the reason, it seems a bit lazy IMHO. I don't want to hack a third-party printer driver system - no matter how good it is - on to my OS4 install for this one program. If there was an OS4 native version of Turboprint I would reconsider, but there is no excuse for requiring it in order to print.

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@Kronos

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Whinning in forums certainly does not help either

Who the heck is whining? I didn't whine and I don't recall anyone else so far, except you maybe!

I personally couldn't care less if Papyrus Office makes it to OS4 native or not, surely someone will come with an office suite sooner or later and the one that does will get my dough!

As it goes I'm doing fine with the already 68k apps that I have bought a long time ago and have no intention of paying an unreasonable amount of money for a retired OS that even if it works somewhat well now there is no guarantee that it will still work as OS4 continues to evolve.

It's a nobrainer to think that buying the 68k version would increase the chances of an OS4 version. How would they know who are buying the 68k versions? Could be just a bunch of classic users, or all the MorphOS users out there (must be thousands by now! )

If Titan were interested in porting Papyrus Office to OS4 then that would be a selling point if they are targeting the 68k version to A1 owners. Surely there must be some way for them to get an estimate of interested A1 users if they truly want to do a port?

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@Chris_Y

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Why is this a reason to require Turboprint? I have a printer that is perfectly well supported by the existing OS4 printer drivers, so I don't need Turboprint.

Most people require Turboprint because there isn't that many models supported (directly) by the OS is there. Some HP models maybe, but what other "modern" printers?

I am using Turboprint (7.60) to use my Canon 1560 and it works very well, including borderless printing on both A4 and 10cm x 15cm in photo quality (see review in current issue of Total Amiga). The Workbench printer drivers are nowhere as good a quality IMHO!

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i want OS4 native please ...

I like your bluntness and honesty... I fully agree! I still have a bad taste in my mouth from earlier comments in another thread which is my reason for feeling like this. It's going to take a native port of this to come to AmigaOne before these wounds are healed.

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@all

I did the risk and ordered 68k version. I think it will run on my A3000T. But will try to get it running on my A1 if I get TP running.

According to the German Thread at www.amiga-news.de I did find to interesting points:
1) the MOS version of Papyrus was/is by most parts payed by GENESI
(apparently confirmed by Michael Garlich)

(here's the German text by one user:

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"44. Papyrus Office: Vorbestellaktion für die AmigaOS-Version mk (Profil) (14-Dez-2004, 16:43) > snowflake (14-Dez-2004, 15:16) > Wenn sicher wäre daß das Paket unter OS4 läuft Vergleichbar nach H.J.F (zu Hypers Freespace1): Für OS4 wurden aber gar keine Lizenzen bezahlt, es DARF also unter OS4 gar nicht laufen! ;) Ernsthaft: Wer würde bei OS4 für die Umsetzung (Papyros ist original x86), sowie ständige Aktualisierung incl. Support (die MOS Version ist für Jahre per Vertrag direkt an die x86 Entwicklung gekoppelt) bezahlen? Redhouse? Hyper? O-Ton Hr. Garlich: Genesi hat für MOS einen Großteil dieser Kosten übernommen, sonst hätten wir uns das gar nicht leisten können! Rechner,OS und SDK (Kosten) tragen sich nicht über zu erwartende Verkäufe, müssten also ebenfalls bereit gestellt werden. Redhouse? Hyper? Und dann haben sich noch einige OS4 "Befürworter" per Telefon, eMail gegenüber Titan "massiv daneben benommen" (O-Ton Garlich spare ich mir, sonst würde die Nettikette zuschlagen) ..."

2) there's apparently a petition where all AOS4 users who realy would buy Papyrus can sign (Though I haven't found this petition yet)

The problem here is that many AOS4 and non-AOS4 users will sign the petition, but only a small group will actually buy the prog. Better would be a petition which would ask for let's say 20EURO, so there should be enough money to port the prog and the developer is sure thet his product would be bought.

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According to the German Thread at www.amiga-news.de I did find to interesting points:

Uh - are you aware that relying on information provided by amiga-news.de's local guerilla fighters is a very dangerous game?

Just thought I'd mentioned that.

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there's apparently a petition where all AOS4 users who realy would buy Papyrus can sign

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1647

wouldn't any 68k program run under Petunia?

just asking.

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I emailed Mr Garlich about the OS3.x version working on OS4 and also the
possibility of a native version.

He said they have tested the 68k version on 4 oct with the OS4pre update1
version and it had some problems with Grim Reaper but it seemed to work
otherwise.. They could also not get printing to work?! But I don't know how
deep these tests were done.. And on what setup!
It's possible that Papyrus works on latest beta?! Who knows before testing

Also Titan have been in contact with Amiga Inc and it seems to be in their hands
if we'll see a native version for OS4.
So maybe, just maybe we'll see a native version some time next year

Damn if I had my µA1-I now I could have offered to beta test it for free..


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I don't get this AW.NET to be honest. It is like any door apportunity gets opened will be slammed with negative feed backs. Here you guys are asking to petition PapyrusOffice for OS 4.0 and when such offer have already been initiated this guy:

mjohnson says and I quote, "While I admire the effort, I'm not sure how much effect such a petition would really have." and he goes and add this suggestion "What might be more persuasive would be a "release an OS4-upgrade package for a nominal fee for registered users of the 68k release"" It is like there is no WIN, WIN situation here ever. Come on guys pick up your minds already and when such things does indeed happen don't just open your mouth, have the guts to follow up with what you said earlier.

@MikeB

We ain't talking about a small utility, but about a full-grown commercial app, that requires support and indept-testing, so having a working OS4-system is mandatory, and I don't think anybody is insane enough to develop such a beast on a classic Amiga.

@Hitback
"fair" ???? Sorry, but why should Titan care about that ? There a buisness, not a charity, and therefore will only do thinks that atleast cover their cost.

@ChrisY

Maybe because Papyrus (MOS) was soley designed to call TP, and adding support for WB-printers is more work than it's worth ? Specially when more than 90% of the people actually buying have TP installed (my guess)?

@Steff
Yes people are whinning, and believing that anybody will do another office-suite anytime soon is just poor day-dreaming. Papyrus is the 1st one in the last 6 or 7 years, and I haven't even heard of anybody planning anything else.

Oh, and telling Titan that you bought the 68k-version just to run it on OS4 is 100% sure more effective then yet another petition.

@nzv58l
Wounds have to be healed in the other way too, and to add to your bluntless, Titan doesn't need OS4 and the 100 copies it could sell there, but OS4 definitly need an office-suite....

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don't get this AW.NET to be honest.

I believe the general feedback has been pretty good as lots of people do seem very interested in an AmigaOS4 native version. And if Samwel is correct it would IMO not be wise to pre-order or to buy Papyrus by regular OS4 users at this stage. At least until the 68k version is tested and working on the latest version of AmigaOS4. There are so many capable OS4 testers & developers out there.

Just compare response here to the feedback given at other Amiga portals.

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that requires support and indept-testing, so having a working OS4-system is mandatory,

Like I said there may be options to provide such a solution.

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nd I don't think anybody is insane enough to develop such a beast on a classic Amiga.

I don't think you should call anyone to be insane too quickly. Version 10.2 of Papyrus does run on classic 68k Ataris. Minimal recommended specification: TOS 1.4 (or MagiC), and 4 MB of RAM. Surely PPC equipped Amigas are *A LOT* more powerful.

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Yes people are whinning, and believing that anybody will do another office-suite anytime soon is just poor day-dreaming.

IMO an updated version of Amiga Writer would be nice. Haage & Partner did already do an early PPC native port of ArtEffect to AmigaOS4.

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Titan doesn't need OS4 and the 100 copies it could sell there,

You continuously specify specific sales figures, do you have any proof of this? I don't think so.

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@mbillla

I was deliberately avoiding reading that thread on amiga-news.de because I could imagine that some blue guy would bring up my name again, and lo! and behold, it doesn't surprise me that it is this specific person that sees the need to do that. Always the same names, always the same idiots.

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