@Kronos:

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I don't know if it's a really good idea for you speak about other companies failed deadlines

What's your problem? A stain on the white vest or what? Oh, I forgot, it's only OK to shoot at Hyperion/Amiga/KMOS.

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"OS4 is no priority for us, and they will get no "ExtraWurst", but we will also do nothing to stop it from happening".

They refused to give us any documentation. We didn't ask for any special treatment. What do you expect, guessing games?

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That has been the official line eversince, and in the beginning it was enough for Hyperion to promise a port.

And after nothing materialized, what should we have done?

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These clauses also make a port to existing Pegs impossible.

Which clauses? Name them.

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I'm sure you could have gotten a BT2 or one of the Apriled boards available in early 2003, but you weren't interested enough. It was at that time that Ben claimed that you couldn't get a Peg, and that this would be the reason for no OS4 on Peg.

An order form was faxed and no reply ever came back. Yep, that's a good reason for not doing it, isn't it?

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There is no sense for Genesi to apply for a licence now, just like it never was, since the number off additional Pegs that could be sold are minimal and won't justify the costs.

Yeah, I hear that a lot, and it might even be true, but WTF? *Peg owners* and *potential Peg owners* tell me that OS 4 on Pegasos would be such a good idea, and now it would sell. *I* didn't bring up the topic.

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For you it more or less the same, back than you had no OS you could actually offer to those interested in a Pegasos, and now you have destroyed most of the interest for it in most of the Peg-user.

That statement is based on.. what exactly? Why, if we destroyed most of the interest for it in most of the peg-user, does the topic ALWAYS pop up on e.g. amiga-news.de when anything like "uA1-I available" pops up?

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Was the licence your idea ? YES !!!

Actually, no. It was Amiga's idea.

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Is the licence responsible for no OS4 on Peg ? YES !!!

That's where you are wrong. Yes, it has some influence, as much influence as the public speeches of BBRV, and the lack of cooperation on behalf of Genesi/bPlan. That is what I meant when I said it wasn't all our fault. I *never* said it was all Genesi's fault either. It's only you that is trying to put all blame on one side. If you could at elast acknowledge that, you could maybe gain a bit of credibility, but it is of course much easier to shift all the blame on one side.

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So yes, it was your decison, you may call it fault, you may call it a missed opportunity, you may have valid reason for not doing it, or may just not be interested, but it's still your product and your licence, ergo it's your responsibilty.

As usual. Never admit that your own side could have made a mistake. Like I said, yes the license was also responsible for it, AS WELL AS the reasons I have outlined above.

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@ Rogue

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Oh, I forgot, it's only OK to shoot at Hyperion/Amiga/KMOS.

There you are wrong!

It also perfectly OK to shoot at Eyetech, Mai logic and the Tao Group!

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Quote: if Papyrus will be released as an OS4 native version depends on KMOS / AInc. A very broad statement, if there is no specifics what he expects from KMOS/Ainc...

i'd expect hardware in first place

byebye...

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>>A very broad statement, if there is no specifics what he expects from KMOS/Ainc...
>i'd expect hardware in first place

That's what I thought also.. Atleast one A1 with OS4 & SDK. But then again
as Rogue states, NO ONE of us knows what Mr Garlich have asked for.

He could have asked for 5 A1s with OS4, money to cover all development
costs and maybe also a "licence" for Amiga to pay every year just because
he supports OS4.. This is just a hypothesis before anyone jumps at it


/Harry

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If the 68k version runs on OS4, I want to buy it. Yes it will be slower than a native version, but it will allow my Amiga to use MS Word documents, and make it a more complete computing solution for me. i.e. I will have one less reason to have to use my PC.

Word, DC and Q3A are the most prominent things which sometimes make me want to buy a PC.

Eliminate the first one by making sure Papyrus works on OS4, 68k or native, and I'll never thinks that thought again I'd preorder and buy it.

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@Kronos

Everytime I read your posts I could climb up the wall. Could you do us all a favor and go fight your private war somewhere else. Thx. Maybe you could register at a daycare. They might have plenty of playground for you.
Sorry, it really sucks if I have to go thru 3 pages filled with your personal crap.

(sorry was so offtopic, but enough is enough)

I can't say if I'd buy an OS4 version of Papyrus...at least I'd consider it. I won't do a 68k version, though.

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hmmm, I would rather see a review of sorts before taking the plunge and buying another 68k package (already have two 68k based word processors, a 68k spreadsheet too).

How has a discussion about Papyrus office and the possibility of an OS4 version changed into yet another twisted argument about OS4 V MOS V Hyperion V Genesi V KMOS V the world again? These kinds of useless arguments aren't only time wasting and pollutive to the current topic, but they actually shed a very bad light indeed on the entire Amiga community! So anyone who thinks their Pro MOS or Pro OS4 arguments are big, think again - it's exactly these kinds of arguments which turn people away from the Amiga community in the first place!

@Rogue: If I were you I would not continue to argue with anybody about "OS4 V MOS V Hyperion V Genesi V KMOS V the world" subjects here on the forum - it's just a waste of time because you're never going to convince Pro MOS Pro Genesi Pro whatever supporters anyway - all they're really interested in is causing an argument and making people like you look stupid, so why bother to feed them ammunition in the form of arguments? Even if your arguments are well founded they're still not interested anyway. As long as they've caused an argument with you on a public forum then they've got what they wanted and they're happy. It's just a waste of your time, really.


Back on topic:

I think any big application port like this is good news for the Amiga. I currently own Pagestream4.x Professional and have pre-ordered Version 5.0 Pro as well, but would still be very much interested in Papyrus, even in 68K version. However, like everyone else I do feel an OS4 version (or the promise of one later with an upgrade package) would be very good news.

Brian

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How has a discussion about Papyrus office and the possibility of an OS4 version changed into yet another twisted argument about OS4 V MOS V Hyperion V Genesi V KMOS V the world again?

Only Amiga makes it possible....

About the original topic:
I'll buy when it is OS4 native.

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Mr Garlich

We are prepared to hook you up with an AmigaONE owner in your vicinity to bring about
an AOS4 version.

Many of us have no intention of supporting Papyrus in a 68k version, but would
in an OS4 version. As Mark said, this has a lot to do with your previous comments
about AOS4.

However, as "realize" also found the backlash that making devisive political statemets
in the past can hurt, lets take this opportunity to avoid it happenning to you.

What do you need to produce a port - even if its binaries registered 68k owners
have to download in this version - beyond access to a build machine and a
set of testers?

Lets help you get an extra 800 or so sales of your product. If you don't feel like
discussing this on a forum, feel free to mail me:

director@happybiscuit.com

Dave.

@ DaveP

These are the actions we want to see in future ! Thanks...




Please Mr Garlich, take this chance to rejoin the forces and the community :

make an OS4 port...

I, for one, will buy it... and so will do many AmigaOS4 owners I think.

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@zorro and DaveP

I second the motion Mr Garlich

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