@hatschi

I must have missed that, I usually read his posts though.

Not that it matters much anyway.. They could call it 4.99 for all I care.
As long as OS4 is fully released.

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I don't see it as "brand name trickery", for the simple reason that it's just too transparent (mind you, the contract gaffes that Amiga Inc got into were pretty embarrassing...) I'm thinking more along the lines of simple marketing to consumers: "this is the next generation of the AmigaOne you know and love"

The trickery I'm referring to would be, "oh we cant get a license, so we'll attempt to use someone elses license by giving our product the same name".

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??? the "legal stuff" is AI restricting hardware until they get what they want.

Are you sure though? How can you write up a new contract for additional hardware partners when you're not sure who owns what of os4? But you could be right, I didnt think of it that way.

@Samwel

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As long as OS4 is fully released.

I had been under the impression that this already happened when Hyperion announced that "It's done!" on 24th December 2006.

And this post by HyperionMP indicates that the version released on 24th is the one that will be used "as a master for the CD production".

So it should be all clear now.

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If we don't bite, Hyperion's next product will be Homeless 1.0 How's that for gloomy?

They could always use GNU/CardboardBox or ShopDoorwayBSD

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I don't see it as "brand name trickery", for the simple reason that it's just too transparent (mind you, the contract gaffes that Amiga Inc got into were pretty embarrassing...) I'm thinking more along the lines of simple marketing to consumers: "this is the next generation of the AmigaOne you know and love"

If Hyperion release a boxed copy of OS4 to be purchased freely via (online)shops and the CD in the box just so happens to boot and install and support the hardware on a SAM440 board, what can Amiga Inc do except collect their royalty payments for each box sold?

Don't tell me you don't believe in co-incidences.


edit: B0rked the quote up :embarrased:

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Sounds like a good idea to me.

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@nicholas

That sort of stunt would probably anger Amiga Inc, and they might decide to yank the license even for AmigaOnes. Remember that Amiga Inc seem more interested in control than they do in collecting royalties.

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@Samwel, Moxee and others

I said upfront to this session that I cannot and will not answer questions regarding hardware. I think I have said *multiple* times already that neither me nor Hyperion want to make announcements about hardware, that is up to the actual manufacturer of the hardware.

Why this comes as a surprise is beyond me.

As I have also pointed out multiple times (and growing extremely tired of it) I am only contracted by Hyperion so I will not make any statements of any supposed legal dealings with another company, real or fancied.

@Thomas

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At least that confirms one rumor, that they are infact still in legal troubles with Amiga INC.

How exactly did you extract this tidbit of information?

@all

About the CD production, we had a couple of last minute features we wanted to include, which is why the Final ISO is not what will be pressed on CD. Besides the fact that the CD release will have a contribs section, it will also feature a few newer components, among other things, the new ELF library that is able to load UNIX-like shared object files

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@nicholas That sort of stunt would probably anger Amiga Inc

If it's legal what can they do?

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About the CD production, we had a couple of last minute features we wanted to include, which is why the Final ISO is not what will be pressed on CD. Besides the fact that the CD release will have a contribs section, it will also feature a few newer components, among other things, the new ELF library that is able to load UNIX-like shared object files

W00t! You have at least one sale here.

@nicholas

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If it's legal what can they do?

They own the IP to the original 3.x code that 4.0 is based on, so they can pretty much do whatever they want.

@Rogue

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How exactly did you extract this tidbit of information?

While most of us here respect your work and what you've accomplished, we're actually quite in the dark regarding internal amiga happenings, and as a consequence its only natural for people to speculate. A lot of it is based on tid bits of information we've been getting over the years from various parties. I think most of the time we're just trying to connect the dots, and we fill in the gaps with our own impressions.

EDIT: reworded a bit better

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Hmm... the news of the last few weeks has certainly been interesting.

Firstly ACube announce that work on the Sam440 is complete.

Also, Hyperion announce on their website that 'ACube will act as a worldwide distributor of Hyperion’s Amiga OS 4.0 operating system for a range of PPC hardware platforms including AmigaOne (MicroA1, SE/XE) and Classic Amiga.'

Including I assume meaning not exclusively AmigaOne and Classic Amiga.

Now Hyperion have stated that OS4 CD's are going into production. I would assume that both AmigaOne and Classic versions will be on the same CD as it makes sense from a cost point of view.

The thing that interest me mostly is that it seems unusual to me for a hardware manufacturer to become a distributer of an OS if that OS does not work on their hardware.

Also as mentioned earlier it might be an expensive mistake to mass produce a boxed version of OS4 when they cannot guarantee reasonable sales, from Classic Amiga owners and AmigaOne owners who probably already have the final version. I'd imagine to from an economy-of-scale point of view they'd want to produce at least 1000 of them.

To me it would make sense to wait until new hardware was on the horizon capable of running the OS before releasing the boxed version. Oh, and I'd enter into a distribution agreement with the hardware supplier as well so the consumers don't need to purchase the OS elsewhere.

Is this the beginning of the end? (the happy ending)

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Rogue, thanks for the interview.

Obviously everything I want to know is exactly what you cannot talk about.

The facts boil down to only one, that a new boxed edition of OS4 for the "AmigaOne" is in its final phase of production.

Proposition 1.
Are we to conclude from that, as some have, that this expensive exercise is only intended to give Eytec AmigaOne owners will get a version which they may have to pay a small fee to get?

a) Most AmigaOne owners already have a release version (albeit without some extras and fixes)
b) Why would the small numbers of owners need anything more than a download, and perhaps a quickburn disk option.
c) The lapse of time since the download of the final was made available, has been spent making improvements and adding some extras for effectively a handful of boards already purchased.

Proposition 2.
Alternatively, OS4 is being professionally produced for sale, and given printing costs, in numbers that probably exceed the entire stock of Eyetec boards in existence. Box manufacture, printing, perhaps a short manual, and a new disk, a big expense in other words. Is any sane person in-doubt what this simple fact adds up to?

a) Acube has a board.
b) Acube is in alliance with Hyperion to distribute its products worldwide.
c) Acube effectively has, in a short while, a nicely packaged OS4.
d) Acube has for sometime now put forward its software solutions for SAM - all the artwork on their site has been of AmigaOS screenshots.

What makes more sense 1 or 2?

Of course if the FUD is to believed, and there is a titanic struggle for ownership of IP is going on and that licensing is impossible only proposition 1 can be true, unless of course Hyperion and Acube are prepared to spend the next several years in court.

The simpler explanation is the one likely to be true. That there is going to be a SAM board with OS4 coming out within days, not weeks. That the extreme version of the legal tussle between Amiga Inc and Hyperion has always been 80% FUD.

Hopefully some new HW, a professionally boxed OS4, will become a turning point for our community, and that all this may be crystal clear in just a handful of days.

Then I hope we can start seriously discussing the long term future of OS4, in regard to deploying SAM and the OS in new markets, and yes the PS3 possibility.

About 100 Euros seems a good price.

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They own the IP to the original 3.x code that 4.0 is based on, so they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Not according to Rogue. He stated that they did not use the original sources at all as they were "useless" to them. That was one of the reasons that things took longer than expected he stated.

Now as to the reason they let the misconception that OS4 is the real successor because it is based on the original source code get argued about for so long......

@Rogue

Thanks for participating in that IRC session and for dropping by to clarify a few things for us. I really appreciate hearing from you.

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At least that confirms one rumor, that they are infact still in legal troubles with Amiga INC.


How exactly did you extract this tidbit of information?

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From you and AInc. There is there difference in ownership versions and the statement that lawyers are involved. Whenever I here that lawyers are involved "legal troubles" are involved. Maybe it means something else?

@ jahc

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Anyway, I would be quite willing to pay for a possible OS4.1 to help out Hyperion and upgrade my AmigaOne to another level of niceness. :)

I'll 2nd that statement.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

The simpler explanation is the one likely to be true. That there is going to be a SAM board with OS4 coming out within days, not weeks. That the extreme version of the legal tussle between Amiga Inc and Hyperion has always been 80% FUD.



Actually there is a post:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/141628.shtml
tyat seems to support your theory. Time will tell.

@ Rogue

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@Samwel, Moxee and others I said upfront to this session that I cannot and will not answer questions regarding hardware. I think I have said *multiple* times already that neither me nor Hyperion want to make announcements about hardware, that is up to the actual manufacturer of the hardware. Why this comes as a surprise is beyond me.

No surprise to me. Sorry if my comment may have read that way.

I am also going to purchase this new CD as soon as it is available.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.